Lovely! Thank you for the reminder. Mine are doing the blackspot/leafdrop tango. But the hibiscus are a balm.

Jerri Moore, this is an old thread. You might want to start a brand new thread to get better answers. Exposing seeds to cold is called stratification; some seeds need it, others don't. It simulates what the seed would experience in nature. I can't help you with more than that. Some people say rose seeds need stratification, some people don't. It might also depend on the type of rose. Another thing to keep in mind is that seeds from a hybrid rose won't be the same as the parent. Because of the complex hybridization of roses, they do not "come true" from seed. Only species roses (those found naturally, that existed before humans started hybridizing) come true from seed.

Congrats to you both Helen and Beth. The pics on HMF are amazing, I hear it can be difficult, but you both live in a ideal climate for roses, so hope it does well for you.

Thanks everyone. They are the roses that were on my wish list for a while before I actually have them in my garden, and I adore them. Helen