Best rose for the vase & bouquets of no-spray roses
I went through all the previous threads on best roses for the vase, and put them in a list.
AUSTINS FOR THE VASE: Perdita, Jayne Austin, Swan, Dove. Fair Bianca (one week), Tradescant & Tess of d’uberville (4 days), The Squire (1 week), Claire Rose, Princess Alexandra.
AVERAGE: Golden Cel., Evelyn, Prospero, The Prince, English Garden, Sweet Juliet, ,Abraham Darby.
SHATTERS: Tamora, Heritage, Ambridge rose, Graham Thomas, Scepter d’ Isle, Queen of Sweden.
Niels in Denmark compiled days in the vase: Heritage 2 Tradescant 4 William Shakespeare 2000 3 Brother Cadfael 5 Benjamin Britten 5 Golden Celebration 3 Scepter D Isle 3 Alnwick Castle 3 Crocus Rose 3 Teasing Georgia 3 Glamis Castle 4 Falstaff 4 Othello 5 Graham Thomas 3 Evelyn 3 Wisley 3
Crocus Rose 4 Abraham Darby 3 The Dark Lady 3 Charles Austin 3
Brother Cadfael, Benjamin Britten and Othello have the best vase life of the Austins. WS2000 (5 days). Sharifa and Carding Mill (3 days). Pegasus and Bishops
Castle make good cut-flowers. Pretty Jessica (few thorns & good cut flower).
ROSES FOR THE VASE:
Sunset Celebration Tournament of Roses Tuscan Sun Granada
Louise Odier Don Juan French Lace Peace Fragrance Cloud Veteran's Honor
Black Magic Touch Of Class Fragrant Cloud Memorial Day
Olympiad Veteran's Honor Valencia Fragrant Plum Bride's Dream
Touch of Class Olympiad St Patrick Helmut Schmidt
Elina, Kentucky Derby, Sunset Celebration, Moonstone, Bride's Dream, Flo
Nelson, Perfume Delight, Calico, St. Patrick, Tiffany, Alpine Sunset.
Old Garden Roses: Paul Neyron Mrs. b. cant Henry Nevard 'Archiduchesse Elisabeth d'Autriche' & 'Souvenir de la Malmaison'
For heat: "Betty White" "Moonstone" "Toulouse Latrec" "Yves Piaget" "Tournament of
Roses"
OTHERS FOR VASE: Pascali and Prominent, Stainless steel (vase life
& scent). Papa Meilland, Rouge Royale, Bride's dream (thrips-fest), Valencia, Arizona, Floral Fairy Tale, Osiana, Imperatrice Farah, Black Baccara, Tineke, Frederic Mistral, Memorial Day.
*** From StrawChicago: I find that Betty White doesn't last long in the vase, although it's huge & fragrant. My favorite is Evelyn (4 days). Bronze Star is a surprise: very firm petals that lasts long in the vase, fantastic fruity scent. See below vase with Brozen Star (orange), pink is Sonia Rykiel (amazing fruity scent), white is Bolero (lasts 4 days if cut in bud-form), yellow is Crown Princess Magareta (good Austin for vase, so many of them to cut), right pink is Radio Times (3 days).
What are your favorite roses for the vase? Thanks for the info. First pic. most favorite big orange is Bronze Star, scent is just as good as Sutter's Gold, but Bronze Star lasts 5 days in the vase:
Below red Munstead Wood lasts just as long as light-pink Zeph Drouhin, about 3 days, same with Carding Mill (salmon-pink). Pic. taken 1st week of this June:
Below Aloha (middle pink) lasts twice longer in the vase than upper pink Comte de Chambord, pink below Aloha is Radio Times (3 days in the vase):
Below Evelyn (biggest pink) rules in any bouquet. Upper white is Mary Magdalene, lower white is Bolero (lasts 5 days in the vase like Evelyn).
Below pink Peace and Crown Princess Magareta are my favorites for the vase, lasting 4 to 5 days:
Below is Versigny (orangish pink), Evelyn is also in below bouquet:
Below has all my favorites for the vase: red Firefighter (5 days), orange Versigny (5 days), and pink Liv Tyler (4 days), plus Bolero (4 days):
Below Blue Poseidon lasts 5 days in the vase, and it's a continuous bloomer, giving more blooms than pink (Princess Charlene de Monaco), and Dee-lish (dark pink below).
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoCarol: Evelyn is the easiest rose to root, I rooted a few for friends. If you know someone with Evelyn, get a few cuttings and it'll give you an own-root within 3 months. Leander (almost thornless English rose from LongAgoRoses) has fabulous very strong scent (similar to Felicia), and lasts 4+ days in the vase:
Below bouquet is day 5 in the vase with pale Leander, yellows are Well Being. Big Purple is on right. I don't miss Jude the Obscure with Well Being's scent being just as good.
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Comments (10)Good idea, Jim, that would be sturdy & easy to clean. What store did you get it from? I will have to look for that. One healthy rose worth buying: William Shakespeare 2000, I never find any Japanese Beetle on that for the past 4 years, since its petals are tightly-packed, and JB can't get inside. I have W.S. 2000 in a flooded area, with the overflow of rain barrel dumping water on that tiny rose, yet it's clean. I also put gypsum (for its zillion-petals), and cracked-corn in the planting hole (for anti-fungal agents in corn, such as zinc and copper). How one prepare the planting hole determines how disease-resistant it is. If the hole is well-drained, and has beneficial microbes, it will be healthy. When I piled up horse manure on Golden Celebration, I was surprised that the previously compacted soil underneath is made fluffy, thanks to the microbes from the well-rotted manure. The below link explains why: http://www.naturalenviro.com/Article.php?ArticleSKU=Soil-Building "The broad and diverse population of soil microorganisms will immediately begin to build an aerobic zone in the soil. The aerobic zone is the top portion of the soil that supports plant life. A healthy soil will normally have an aerobic zone 8-12 inches deep. Most soils today have an organic matter content of less than 1% and usually have very shallow aerobic zones (1-2 inches). One of the main causes of this is the lack of diverse population of beneficial soil microbes. Soils that have low organic matter and shallow aerobic zones also have a very low water holding capacity, are compacted, and have very low oxygen content. These conditions are very adverse to good root development by turf or plants and usually indicate very low microbial activity. When you apply microbes, you will see conditions in your soil begin to change quickly." An excerpt from another site on humus: http://www.naturalenviro.com/Article.php?ArticleSKU=humic-acid-role "Humic acid is also especially important because of its ability to chelate micronutrients increasing their bio-availability. Humic acid stimulates microbial activity by providing the indigenous microbes with a carbon source for food, thus encouraging their growth and activity. Soil microbes are responsible for solubilizing vital nutrients such as phosphorus that can then be absorbed by the humic acid and in turn made available to the plant. Additionally, microbes are responsible for the continued development of humus in the soil as it continues to break down not fully decomposed organic matter." William Shakespeare 2000 as own-root can take lots of rain. I look over the pictures over the last 4 years, including the 1st year when it was in a pot, with chemical fertilizer. My rating: it was really stingy in a pot, from high-nitrogen-soluble. It gave lots of bloom with sulfate of potash & gypsum, but the health can't be compared to horse manure. This year with too much rain: I used red-lava-rock & cocoa mulch, bloom-quality is good, but leaves got holes from excess water, but no black spots. Below is William Shakespeare when I used horse manure & alfalfa meal, 100% healthy, fantastic bloom-color and quality: Here's William Shakespeare 2000 bloom with horse manure: nice purple, thanks to the trace elements in horse manure. I like more than what I have now, deep crimson from red-lava-rock:...See MoreLooking for Sweetly Fragrant, Cutting Roses Z6
Comments (25)Carol, In my garden Neptune is amazing both as a plant and the color. The scent is nowhere near as strong as Blue Moon but pleasant. You know I spent years only buying blackspot resistant roses and most had little scent. But now, everything I thought I knew about roses and black spot I just chucked out the window. IMO there are just too many variables and here in Southern PA cool nights and warms days are common in Spring. So, blackspot on some anyway. And I wondered why Aloha which should be very disease resistant and vigorous rose despite being own root looked pathetic and had black spot. I figured out it is because it is on an arch near a mature Colorado Blue Spruce and apparently those are water hogs. So I guess what I am saying is that we can talk about which roses are blackspot resistant, but placement on your property matters so much I am not sure that it matters. I never thought about what plants were within their own root zone and what THEIR water needs are. Mission for 2017: to be a better keeper. I will keep diseased leaves cut daily and removed. And fortify the roses with the fish emulsion + seaweed I just bought from Amazon.com as well as enriching the soil and adding manure when my new load finally rots down. I will keep to a better watering schedule weekly or more in Summer. I will battle Japanese Beetles as best I can and not let that keep me inside. And I am going to buy bushy roses that are first and foremost extremely fragrant and secondly hold in a vase. If they are supposed to be blackspot resistant, too, so much the better. This year I am making a commitment to enjoy my roses more, blackspot, Japanese Beetles or not. While I have placed my order for this year, next year I am going to find a place for Gertrude Jekyll. English /cottage gardens are my thing I guess and she was voted the #1 rose in Britain. That one is a no brainer....See MoreBest roses for cut flowers?
Comments (12)Below are my best FRAGRANT roses for the vase in my zone 5a for the past decade. Below large raspberry-red is Big Purple, left is Old Port, yellow is Honey Bouquet (yellow that doesn't fade). White is Bolero (best white for cut): Dark pink is Evelyn Austin rose, color deepened with molasses fertilizer. Below are Bolero rose (white) and Sonia Rykiel (pink) .. color got deepened by watering 1 tablespoon molasses/vinegar per 2 gallons of water at pH 9. I get pale pink from that rose for the past 2 years until now. Below big pink is Pink Peace rose, and the little spray of tiny blooms are "Annie L. McDowell" thornless rose, scent of lavender and lilac. Both perfume the entire room. Right yellowish orange is Crown Princess Mag (last 5+ days in the vase). Below orange is Versigny rose, heavenly floral fruit. Yellow rose is Golden Celebration, smells like cup-cakes. Pink rose is Evelyn with floral peach scent: Below Lavender rose is thornless Deep Purple floribunda. Yellow is Honey bouquet. Light pinks are Francis Blaise. Deeper pink is Pink Peace. Below big orange rose is "Sweet Promise hybrid tea", almost thornless, smells like apple blossoms. Austin Evelyn is pink in the middle, low-thorn Frederic Mistral is upper right. Below bouquet has pink peace on lowest left, Liv Tyler medium pink, with W.S. 2000 upper red, and Frederic Mistral is light pink upper right. White is Bolero. Below left pinkish purple is Wise Portia. Upper pink is Sonia Rykiel. Middle big pink is Liv Tyler. White is Bolero. Orange is Versigny. Yellows are Honey Bouquet. Red is Firefighter (one bloom perfume the entire room)....See Morestrawchicago z5
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last yearlast modified: last yearCarol: Alfalfa tea and sulfate of potash does wonder to force blooms on Austin roses (bred from a rainy climate). Sulfur is for growth, and sulfur is from tons of rain that decay organic matter, or from dunking 2 TBS of alfalfa meal in a gallon of water with 1 TBS. of sulfate of potash. Works wonder in inducing blooms. I received 4 bands from LongAgoRoses on April 28, and now each has 3 buds on May 14, thanks to dousing them with such solution. See below 3 buds on Austin Wise Portia, pic. taken today May 14:
The best rose for the vase plus MOST FRAGRANT among my 150 fragrant own-root roses is Yolande d'Aragon, received from Roses Unlimited this April 27. It lasts TWICE longer in the vase (up to 6 days) and smells just as fabulous as Comte de Chambord.Yolande d' Aragon's scent is so powerful that it lingers on my face for 15 min. after sniffing, pure heaven !!
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last yearlast modified: last yearmarascz9b I leave the crud (from alfalfa tea) on top of my pots since the crud helps to seal the moisture below in pots. Rouge Royal lasts 6 days in the vase, nice raspberry rose scent, but the color is too bright. Below pale blue is Lagerfeld (lasts 5 days in the vase), and pink is Aloha (lasts 5 days):
Savannah below lasts 4 days in the vase if cut as bud. Scent is nicer than both Aloha and Rouge Royal:
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last yearlast modified: last yearAlfalfa meal gets extremely acidic if soaked for more than 2 days .. I had about 1 teaspoon of alfalfa bits that clung to the bottom of gallon-container that I stored my rain-water.
That turned sour within a week. When I watered my roses in pots, that water was "sour & stinky" and attracted sawfly.
Roses in pots hate that sour "Kimchi water" and leaves got brown specks in high heat.
I had to scrape off the top soil and put new soil on top.
From now on, I use a separate container to soak alfalfa meal for a few hours, and I make sure that it's rinsed well with no residue left to turn sour.
Soaking 2 TBS of alfalfa per gallon of water for a few hours to release its growth hormone is OK, but 1 teaspoon of "fermented alfalfa meal residue" is too acidic per gallon of water.
I didn't have any sawfly nor thrips last year with 20+ pots since I top roses with alfalfa meal mixed with pelletized lime prior to day-long rain. That stayed dry on top and didn't ferment to corrode roots, nor to attract flies (sawfly or thrips).
Below bouquet was picked at 97 F on 6/22/22, we had 2 weeks at over 90 F. The winners in high heat are Evelyn (behind dark-pink Dee-lish), blue Poseidon, yellow Moonlight Romantica, right cluster of James Galway, left orange Summer Sun, Sweet Mademoiselle, Munstead Wood and W.S. 2000 (need shade):
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My first bouquet of the season...clockwise from top is Sparkle & Shine, Ebb Tide, Gertrude Jekyll, Compassion, William Shakespeare, Abraham Darby, and then Bolero tucked in the middle. Sparkle & Shine is the only one with mild fragrance, the rest are unique and amazing!
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last yearlast modified: last yearVaporvac: Thank you for the recommendation of Katherine Zeimet, I love small white blooms in a bouquet. Below bouquet has the best scents among my 150 fragrant own-root roses: Pink is Yolande d'Aargon ... it repeats well like Comte de Chambord, but lasts TWICE LONGER in the vase than Comte de Chambord.
Red is Firefighter, and Beige is Princess Charlene de Monaco. Pic. taken July 1 at above 90 F:
The new rose from Antique Rose Emporium is upper left large pink: Prairieville Prince. It's shown on ARE site as orange, but mine turns out to be pink, perhaps due to high heat above 90 F. Right beige is Queen Nefertiti (got bleached out by hot sun).Upper pink Prairieville Prince lasts TWICE LONGER in the vase than Queen Nefertiti. Prairieville Prince has a fabulous myrrh scent on the bush, but scent is gone once cut for the vase.
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One rose that has lasted really well for me in the vase this summer is English Miss. Mine is a baby (as are all of my roses) but I just got another one bc it is so pretty, smells amazing and lasts very well. It fades to a paler pink, and then white edged with pink.
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last yearlast modified: last yearMeghan: Your English Miss is very lovely !! Thanks for sharing about its scent and lasting long in the vase.
As to what own-root roses like alkaline versus acidic, the pale leaves like acidic rain or acidic alfalfa meal, but the dark-green leaves prefer alkaline lime. I always mix 1/4 lime with 3/4 alfalfa meal to top DARK-GREEN leaves with that, and I had zero rose slugs last year with 20 roses in pots.
This year some alfalfa meal residue (in a bottle) got fermented and I used that "sour pickled water" to water the dark-green leaves .. they broke down in rose-slugs. That's from leaves got thinner from low pH.
To choose the right own-roots for one's soil or climate (high rain or dry & alkaline), I compiled the info. in the "featured answer" in below post:
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5944634/your-most-favorite-fragrant-roses-from-roses-unlimited
The vivid coral-salmon-pink rose touching blue Poseidon in way above bouquet is Sweet Mademoiselle.
Savannah is good for high rain climate, but it needs some partial shade (blooms fry at above 90 F heat). Aloha is a pain in my heavy-rain climate: constant balling during rain. Aloha is best in full-sun (less balling), but I don't have enough sun in my garden until the last 2 years of freezing rain killed six of my decades old trees.
Evelyn is far better than Aloha and Abraham Darby, no balling whatsoever with Evelyn. Evelyn is my most favorite rose for the vase: it doesn't fry in full-sun, and lasts 5 days in the vase (much longer than Aloha and Abraham Darby). Below pics. of LARGEST BLOOM are Evelyn. The small right pink bloom is La Reine:
All the pinks below are Evelyn, and apricots are Crown princess Mag (lasts 5 days in the vase like Evelyn):
Below left orange is Sweet Mademoiselle (much better than Summer Sun. Summer Sun is too gaudy and scent gone in the vase). Below right apricot-pink are Evelyn:
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last yearlast modified: last yearCarol: thank you for that tip on Perfume Breeze. I agree that the tiny leaves prefer LOAMY soil and can take tons of acidic rain with no diseases. Perfume Breeze's leaves are even smaller than Marie Pavie, and MORE disease resistant. Best of all, rabbits never eat the leaves of Perfume Breeze, but they devour Marie Pavie.
That's the case with small-leaves W.S. 2000 ... I never see blackspots on that, same with tiny-leaves Blue Mist (never see blackspots in 11 years). Below W.S. 2000 is my favorite for the vase, lasting 4 days. It's the dark red in the first pic, and the dark purple in the 2nd pic.
Below W.S. 2000 (center purple) turns purplish with horse manure (has aluminum to shift bloom to the blue zone):
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From above pic., I'm in Chicago suburb, IL with YOUNG SOIL (black gumbo clay) rich in calcium. Compared that to the east coast (North Carolina) with old soil depleted in calcium.In my last house of acidic clay (from an older neighborhood with soil dating back to 1800's), roses were blackspot fest. That house is only 1/2 hour from my current house that was built on brand new soil.
My neighbors grow 100% healthy no spray roses like Angel Face & other hybrid teas, and Evelyn, Comte de Chambord, Yolande de Aragon are 100% healthy as own-roots for me, except for Rouge Royal. I'm moving it to a faster drainage spot soon.
Comte de Chambord blackspotted for the 1st three years, until I moved it to a fast-drainage raised bed which I worked in plenty of gypsum and lime in advance.
I followed Roses' Unlimited recipe for the planting hole, but instead of 1 gallon of peat moss I used my homemade compost rich in potassium.
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last yearlast modified: last yearann beck 8a ruralish WA How does your soil look like, being high in iron?
The top layer of my soil is black and rock hard clay, but the lowest layer is lighter color clay (orangish), and red roses do well here. Red roses like Double Delight & Munstead Wood both have a higher need for iron.
I check the web, and it stated: "The most distinctive characteristic of an iron-rich soil is a ruddy orange or red color, though not all red soils are rich in iron. When the iron deposits in the soil oxidize, they turn a distinctive rust color that tints the soil red. "
In early summer when the stems of cut-blooms are softer, they wilt easily if I use acidic rain. My cut-blooms always last longer in my alkaline tap water at pH 9, rather than acidic rain water. My tap water leaves whitish calcium and hard magnesium deposits on pots. We have hard well water, and our soil is high in dolomitic rocks (calcium plus magnesium).
In the fall when the stems are harder, cut blooms can tolerate acidic rain water better with less wilting. Below are some recent cut blooms this Sept. 2022. Dark red are Munstead Wood, it's a constant bloomer as 8th-year own root, light pink is Princess Charlene d. Monaco (4th-year own-root), and whites are 12th-year own-root Mary Magdalene, lowest ruffled pink are Augusta Luis:
The Dark Lady (red), Tchaikosky (light yellow), and Sweet Mademoiselle (salmon) are heavy bloomers this Sept. Tchaikosky is 4.5" across and Sweet M is 4". They are fertilized with biochar at pH 8.6 which supplies calcium and potassium for large blooms.
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last yearlast modified: last yearfragrancenutter gave fantastic info. about vase life and scent in below post: Most highly scented roses (houzz.com)
She listed from her zone 10: "Fragrant, long stems and last well as cut flowers:
Granada, Double Delight, Sonia Rykiel, Firefighter, Nahema, PJP II, Evelyn, Augusta Luise.
These last pretty well too:
Barbra Streisand, Papa Meilland, Crimson Glory, Blue Moon, New Zealand, Fredric Mistral, Honey Bouquet.
Short vase life:
Happy Child, Marie Pavie, PAOK, Munstead Wood, Ebb Tide, Duchess de Brabant, Felicia, Jude the Obscure. " fragrancenutter in zone 10.
From Straw: Below was my Nahema but it's very stingy as own root, I find Evelyn's scent is just as good and Evelyn is a constant bloomer.
Below is Evelyn, it's a constant bloomer as 12th-year own root. Evelyn gives me the most blooms among my 150+ fragrant own root roses. Below upper peachy blooms are Evelyn (smaller blooms since it's a in cluster), light yellow is Tchaikosky (candy and floral scent), deep pink is Parfum de Paris (honeysuckle scent):
Yellow Honey Bouquet lasts long in the vase, see below, along with Sonia Rykiel (pink). Middle is Sweet Promise 2007, a French rose with amazing apple blossoms scent. Honey Bouquet lasts twice longer in the vase than Golden Celebration in my zone 5a.
Augusta Luis lasts 6 days in the vase, just as long as Firefighter in my zone 5a. Red behind it are Munstead Wood, lasts 3 days in the vase. Augusta Luis blooms are big at 4" across:
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5 months agolast modified: 5 months agorosecanadian Thank you for that tip of cold water. Cut blooms last longer after I disinfect the vase with bleach, or scrub the bacteria-film with a brush. Below bouquets were picked Oct. 29, 2023 before it dipped down to 20's in my zone 5a:
Below Radio Times (intense damask scent) holds the record of the most blooms before frost since it's huge bush. The dark red is The Dark Lady (wonderful old rose wafting scent). Lighter red is Veteran's Honor (smells like cherries, YUM). Everyone should have a Veteran's Honor since it's a constant bloomer and is compact 2' x 2'. Light pink is Princess Charlene de Monaco. Dark pink is Dee-lish, and the ball-up mess is Sweet Mademoiselle (such a deep, deep cup that it won't open in cold temp). White Alyssum grows wild in my wet clay and re-seed itself yearly.
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5 months agoThe Dark Lady has a wafting scent. More bouquets picked on Oct 29, 2023 before frost came in my zone 5a: Below yellow Well-Being smells YUM like a ripe nectarine, pink Dee-lish smells very fruity in cold temp.
Below Oct. 29, 2023 bouquet has 2 best smelling scents: Dark pink Noble Antony (pure old rose), and light pink Evelyn (peachy rose):
Below Oct. 29 bouquet with Queen of Elegance in the middle, and The Dark Lady above, plus dark-red Twilight Zone, and blue Poiseidon:
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