Does this have all the info needed?

The architect pretty much has the kitchen as I quickly planned it, with some tweaks for aisle space. I think I like the frig there, but is it too far away? It is closer to the living room & deck areas though.

Would it be better on the end of the run with the range? If I put it there, then should I create a pantry where the frig is now?

I've been lurking and researching ALL day. Builder calling with a start date as quickly as he can make it happen. He wants to get this in the rotation asap, and I'm nervous about getting all my stuff done on time.

Oh I can just feel your excitement! What fun:)

The refrigerator location may be workable, but is not ideal. I'm not sure there's room for both the range and refrigerator on the short run. It looks to be 9 feet-ish. One idea is to move the refrigerator the short run and have the range and the cleanup sink on the long run, with your prep sink still in the island.

The refrigerator space would make a good pantry, or you could have a coffee/bar area there. Or simply eliminate that bumpout and have more space to make your island longer. Depends on your priorities. If the refrigerator was the only appliance on the short run there would be room to add tall roll-out pantries there.

Another option is to put the refrigerator on the far end of the sink run.

Thank you Nancy.

I don't know why the architect didn't extend that run a bit more....there's nothing there. I think the table needs to be pushed closer to the wall and to the right as well.

so...I think that run can be longer and fit the frig.

That was a long winded way of saying that.... :-)

More information would be useful; check out the following information...

Read Me thread: New to Kitchens? Read Me First!

Kitchen Design FAQs that may help (you've included some of the requested information already, but there is more):

How do I ask for Layout Help and what information should I include?

Kitchen work zones, what are they?

Aisle widths, walkways, seating overhangs, work and landing space, and others

How do I plan for storage? Types of Storage? What to Store Where?

Here are the kitchen space measurements we need (along with a general layout of the entire first floor, or whatever floor the kitchen is on).

Below is the space, done on Chief Architect app. It's done to the measurements of the kitchen space. Above I have the adjacent spaces on the architect rendering. I would post it again here, but I can't get that clear photo on this iPad...something's wrong with my cloud. :-p Let me try to answer questions and add the missing info.

No stools on island. I didn't want them.

Prep sink, I'd like it close to frig since I am not going to plumb it. Other than that accessibly, it can go anywhere. People will manually have to get ice, and use a sink for water.

Im wondering if I should use the sink at the window as a prep sink since there is an amazing view, vs the one on the island, and using island as clean up zone?

Im willing to make changes, within the room itself. I'm not tied to the kitchen set up as it is.

windows can be changed.

the room space is 22 x 18.

thanks for the links...I was looking for the Layout one, and got sidetracked and couldn't find it. :-)

I appreciate any suggestions you may have, and thank you for your time.

cheers!

I see that you have a prep sink near the fridge. But then to get to the stove you need to walk around the island and pass by the table. That will be a lot of steps and going around. Try moving the fridge to the same wall as the main sink. You might need to slide the sink to the left some more, under the window.

Or, how about this? (Give or take a few inches that I may have gotten wrong). This would keep the fridge near the table, and a better location for the prep sink.

I like houserookie's plan a lot better. The workflow makes more sense. And you can prep in front of the window! I would move the prep sink down closer to the corner which would make a good secondary prep counter between the fridge and prep sink. Or a fantastic location for a baking center.

I'm not super-big on symmetry but I think it would be nice if both windows flanking the range were the same size since it will end up being a focal point. Between the island, pantry, and long stretch of counter, could you get by without uppers there? If so, make it all windows except where the range is since those are view windows. It would be lovely.

I really like that small sitting area off the kitchen. What a wonderful place to relax and enjoy your view.

"Prep sink, I'd like it close to frig since I am not going to plumb it. Other than that accessibly, it can go anywhere. People will manually have to get ice, and use a sink for water."

ok, it took me about 4 reads on this to figure you mean you aren't plumbing the fridge, not the sink. Couldn't imagine why one would put in a sink and not plumb it!

but then, I'm not used to a 'plumbed' fridge. I had an ice maker back in the 70s but not since then.

I like that a lot, it's a great function. I just have to wrap my mind around having the stove over by the windows, I never pictured one there.

The form interrupting, of course! I'm going to look at some pics of stoves between windows to get a better sense.

Funky, how far over would you put the big sink, and, how much space would you have between the little sink and frig?

also, I'm going to try and have no uppers, unless I find I need them. Depending on my materials, I wouldn't have them matching anyway...

im so excited to coffee in that little nook, when we started this process I wasn't sure we could fit something like that in.

desertsteph - that's what happens when you have fresh eyes and no attachment to a particular idea! Thank you for your time. I'm going to think about it and think about living in it.

thanks again for your help and perspectives! I'm off for a day with my daughter today, so I will not get to be on today. (I don't want you to think I'm not interested..... I am OVER interested!) :-)

Ok, after a 2 second search......some of those look amazing. I'd have to have an amazing backsplash....materials selection will be fun!

Here are my suggested little tweaks to houserookie's excellent plan. I would simply move that prep sink down closer to the corner so you can take items out of the fridge and slide them down, wash them, turn and prep. I didn't see where I mentioned anything about changing the clean-up sink location. I think centered on that island is fine.

I copied/pasted the bigger window to the other side. I extended the cabinet on that side to the end of the window. (I didn't place that window accurately. It's closer to the range. Oops! But you get the idea, right?)

I have my clean-up sink/DW on a peninsula facing my dining room. (Well, I will, someday, when DH gets to it, lol.) I've thought a lot about it as I really don't want to look at stacks of dishes on it. Here's some of my jumbled information and solutions that may or may not work for you but thought I'd mention them anyway. This is important to me because I think if someone pops in, seeing that I'm cooking and my kitchen is messy because I am in the middle of cooking, is not a big deal to me. It's a work space. It's going to be used. That's nothing to be ashamed of. However, piles of dirty dishes that look like they've been around for a meal or two really bug me and, imho, I think that's what makes a kitchen look dirty. YMMV, of course. Here goes:

After reading up on studies that show that hand-washing uses more water than the newer, more efficient DW's, I've taken to putting in the DW a lot of things I used to wash by hand. Items usually don't need rinsed or scraped prior to loading either. There is also something about the detergent reacting with the food on the plates that actually cleans dishes better. I don't claim to understand it. I do sometimes give a quick swipe with my wet, soap-filled scrubber over, for example, a bowl that I mixed frosting in so it doesn't turn to concrete before I turn on the DW but most things go in without scraping or rinsing and come out perfectly clean. Use this to your advantage.

While prepping and cooking, keep your DW door open (it's perfectly placed for this as it's outside those work zones), and immediately put your dirty prep and cook items into it when done with them. Get in the habit of immediately scraping (if needed) your dirty dishes after a meal and putting them in the DW. If you do both of these things, you shouldn't have big piles of dirty items in the sink or on the counter to make that island look like a disaster.

If you get a large, single sink, the few items that need to be hand-washed can be left in the sink, on the grid, to dry so they're hidden and not cluttering up your counter. You can put the dirty item in one side of the sink to be washed, wash it, then move it to the other side of the sink to dry. All hidden, or at least partially hidden. Efficient and keeps your space from looking cluttered.

I also tend to clean as I cook so that helps with reducing pile-ups. It may take a tad longer to cook but then I'm not faced with a huge stack to deal with later and that, to me, is always horrifying. It makes the job seem so much bigger than it probably really is. I figure the same amount of time is spent but it's done in a way that keeps my kitchen clutter-free as much as possible and I find it easier to cook when there's less clutter.

I know this stuff is probably elementary to you or most people reading but dirty dish clutter is a pet peeve of mine (along with DW placement, lol) so I just thought I'd throw it all out there. If it's helpful, great. If not, that's OK, too. I just know that by following these methods, I can cook a full-course, fancy dinner but never have dirty pile-ups to deal with after dinner so I can relax and digest instead of having to tackle a dirty kitchen later. :)

OK, I'll shut up now, lol.

Hope you had a great day with your daughter.

Revised diagram wouldn't post so I'll submit this and try again in the next post.

I really like the design and revisions houserookie and funkycamper have made. Moving the range to between the windows makes it easy to vent outside and you'll have a lovely view to prep. It's easy to clear the table directly to the island, and if you're washing up after having a group over for a meal you're facing the dining area and can still have a conversation. Just make sure there's dish and glass storage close by the dishwasher (maybe to the right of the range?). I think you could still have uppers on the wall with the fridge, since visually the fridge will block that wall anyway, for more storage, but the range wall with no uppers will keep a lovely open feeling.

Funkycamper, I love the idea of making the windows flanking the range match. Will be so striking! A true focal wall.

houserookie, excellent idea! I love the look of a range between
windows, with lots of light streaming in. Meris, just want to mention
one thing that you might already have covered (it was the subject of a
recent thread), but since you hadn't planned for a range between
windows, you need to decide on the look you want for a backsplash before
deciding on window placement. Which means you also need to decide on
the width of the hood, and you're probably aware that 6" wider than the
range is optimal for steam/grease capture. Take a look at the
hood/backsplash/window trim configuration in the pics you're
reviewing--do you want the range hood to fill the area between the
windows? Have some space for an open shelf on each side? Backsplash only
as wide as the range, or hood, or all the way across? Windows to the counter, or
room for a short run of tile below?

Also, I think you have a
great plan with houserookie's and funkycamper's ideas, but I'll post
another one with clean-up on the left wall, and the prep sink on the far
side of the island. You can prep at the island, facing the table, and
if you have a project (cooking, craft, etc.), this leaves a nice area
that kids can gather around on all sides. You also have the option of
prepping between the main sink and range, looking out the window. (I've
been processing peaches for the last few days, which, after peeling and slicing, means baking, freezing and canning/jelly-making. I prep all
over the kitchen--one afternoon I realized I was doing something
unrelated to baking, on the baking counter, just because the sunshine
coming in on that side was so pleasant.)

Having the clean-up area on the left wall also hides some of the
dirty dishes/clean dishes draining mess, and if you're planning dish drawers, they can be on the
island, facing the DW. 50" should be sufficient for DW and drawers
to be open at the same time--check the length of the door on the DW
you're using--the top edge of mine is 27" from the cabinet face when
open. If you're using a corner susan, rather than blocking off the blind
corner, there's room for a narrow cab for cutting boards and baking
sheets, or a narrow trash pull-out. If blocking off the corner, that
leaves room for a (18-24"?) drawer base.

ETA, I forgot to mention that I extended the counter on the right side of the range and eased the corner, but I guess that's obvious. :] That could be another prep space, since it's so close to the prep sink.

Good luck, and enjoy the project!

Mama goose, excellent point about prepping facing the table. Funkycamper's idea focuses on a great baking area, and prepping facing the outside view. Yours gives them two great prep areas, with the main one facing the table. I'm glad I'm not making this decision.... ;) Meris has two very good options so far. Yay for team work!

I like MG's changes and would really be quite happy with either plan. If you go with MG's changes but like the idea of a baking center, you could put your baking supplies in what MG has labeled the secondary prep area. Or make the space to right side of range the baking center as it's close to the prep sink.

I do like the way dirty and drying dishes would be more hidden in MG's plan. You wouldn't have to be so finicky about following my suggested master plan for dirty dishes in order to keep your kitchen neater. ;)

Oh, isn't it nice to have several good options to choose from? Happy picking!

Thank you so much for all this help. We have out of town family visiting now, and the next 3 weeks are my busiest of the summer, with all the family activities planned, and I think the house stuff is going to crop up at the same time. When it rains it pours!

I have a couple of questions? The bummer is, in order to have my sitting area, I need a bit of a wall on the right hand side of the kitchen (I think it ends up being 3ft maybe a tich less...about the depth of frig). That eats into the walking space since the pantry cabinet can't be so narrow. I think that forces me to orient my island the other way? I'm working on it right now and will post a photo shortly, my work is not as good as what you guys put out! You rock stars you!

Another one, Im thinking of the Kohler stages sink if my budget allows.... I've never had a second sink in the kitchen, nor do I know anyone that has one, so it's all new to me. I'm really trying to figure out the space and how to use it. I keep on thinking I'll be using the big sink, and if there's another body in the kitchen, they will end up using the other. I'm having a hard time thinking of one sink as prep solely, and the other as clean up solely. Should I start a new thread with this question?

Mama Goose....thanks for your tips about the range, and backsplash. I have no idea how to figure that out now (backsplash), the range hood yes, that's easy, I already have my range, is there a way to differ that decision until I have cabinets and counters chosen?

Thanks again for all of your help, it's invaluable.

I don't have the sinks placed correctly, I think the bigger one will be on the island, but I put that bit of wall in there, and attempted to orient the island in 2 different ways to show a visual.

im doing it on chief architect, and it just had an update. It's not allowing me to save my renderIngs anymore, I did my best.

If I were turning the island, I think I'd put the range on the left
wall, with the prep sink toward the bottom corner of the island, and
clean-up on the top wall with lots of windows. But I'll post my answer to your question about the range/hood/windows in case you keep the range on the window wall.

You don't need to decide what backsplash to use, just whether you
want the range hood to span the whole area between the windows, which
means you have to decide how far apart you want the windows shortly
after framing starts. Examples: (Might have to post them individually.)

In this example the range hood fills the area between the window trim, so does the backsplash tile, and it runs under the windows, which do not come down to the counter:

In this one there are a few inches to spare on each side of the hood:

In this one there are open shelves between the hood and window trim:

So before the windows sizes are chosen and framing is done, you need to chose the range hood size, and decide how much space will be between it and the windows on each side. I think my mentioning the backsplash confused the issue. ;)

Recent thread with similar discussion.

If I were turning the island, I think I'd put the range on the left wall, with the prep sink toward the bottom corner of the island, and clean-up on the top wall with lots of windows.

^this!

And don't think of your sinks as "prep solely" or "clean up solely". While that may be the task that particular sink is used for the most often, you can still do other tasks there.

One of the reason I got a fairly large prep sink (24") is because I know if I just used something that either doesn't go in the DW or I'm going to need to use it again for something else in a few minutes, I'm not going to want to walk over to the clean-up sink just to wash them out. So I wanted something big enough to occasionally wash things in without being cramped.

I think I'm going to have to turn my island for the space to walk around my kitchen. Do you think so?

thanks for the explanations ladies.

today, I'm going to call a local cabinet maker a friend has to see and loved, and get some things started. It's either him, ikea with custom, or I'll let my GC guy quote as well.

I don't have any ideas yet for materials, there's so many beautiful kitchens!

Something like this?