Putting organic matter in clay soil
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Comments (23)Moving dirt from another area of the yard is not an option. I've done that in the past, and there's no more "extra". The company I'm talking about is called "Missouri Organic". Their definition of their top soil is: "sandy loam mix pulverized and screened for constant texture and ease of application" The definition of their compost is: "humus rich organic matter made from lawn, garden, and tree trimmings, thoroughly processed using bacteria, heat, and aeration to a state most readily and effectively used by the soil" It's lab tested for contamination from herbicide and pesticide contamination, free of weed seeds and harmful pathogens. It's way cheaper and better quality to buy this stuff in bulk, than to buy bags at Home Depot. Deanna...See MoreAdding soil blends to improve organic matter to subsoil (New Land
Comments (16)Norm - hope you pick up on this .. hopefully it's helpful for your project. I would have included this for you earlier, but I had this info stashed and it took some hunting for me to re-find it. For any soil that goes into landscaping there are three classes to know: bank soil, loose soil, and compacted soil. "Bank soil" is soil in it's naturally settled state, without machine or human compaction. An open lot, untouched, would have a bulk density of bank soil. Dig that soil up and the bulk density decreases as it becomes broken and aerated. That is loose soil. Take soil and compact it, like running machinery over it, it becomes compacted soil. The typical relationships for bulk density are bank soil is the reference = 1.0, loose soil expands and has 80% of the bulk density of bank soil, and compacted soil has a density about 1.05-1.1 of bank soil. Why is this important? A big part of permanent landscaping is establishing a stable and permanent grade. You want stability after installation. When you buy soil for a landscape you get loose soil. But when you are filling and grading to native settled soil you have to match surrounding bank soil for grade and drainage. That means for a soil comparable to the untouched surrounding soil you will actually need to overfill and gade with loose soil to allow for the settling. Typically by about 10-20% for topsoil. The soil supplier should be able to guide you on how much. The danger is that if you don't allow for that natural settling, you will end up with a low area where you had filled as it later settles, and if that area is planted for permanence there is little you can do without upsetting the plants. A part of the consideration is the filling soil's organic content. The more of that there is, the more the soil will settle over time - it cannot be directly replaced in permanent landscapes. You can only strive to maintain it via top dressing / mulch in those permanent grade and planted areas. About as good as you can maintain that way is ~ 5% organic matter. If you start with a higher OM content, then you need to allow for that much additional settling over time. This post was edited by TXEB on Fri, May 17, 13 at 3:34...See MoreMeasuring soil organic matter
Comments (3)The "jar test" is, as I call it, a simple test. Over the years when compared with the tests results I get back from Michigan State University the level of organic matter in my soil is about the same. Many other people that have used that test and a good reliable soil test lab tell me the same thing, the results are about the same. kimmq is kimmsr...See MoreWhat kind of organic matter to use in high phosphorus clay soil?
Comments (6)Sand is not the thing to add - sorry, because I know you would have worked very hard in doing that. Sand involves the most work but the smallest reward. Leaves from deciduous trees would be a great thing for your soil. It's a question of what you have close to hand. Where I am, I am surrounded by suburbs of deciduous trees and I spend a lot of time collecting them and building piles wherever I deem a good place for a pile to be, which seems to be an ever-increasing number of sites. Improving a soil takes time, but if done over time and using the right sort of things, you will one day have lovely soil. For your bulb garden, a raised bed will provide drainage. It's hard to explain how this is so, but rest assured that the reason for raised beds is because of the drainage they provide. Can you describe what you are starting with? For example, is there any sort of garden, grass, weeds, concrete. A new place or an existing garden of some kind? We are operating in the dark here a little, I think. And what sort of stuff is available for you to get?...See MorePumpkin (zone 10A)
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