I have one of those 4 shelf mini greenhouses, and I've been using it a lot. It is on the side of my house in front of our furnace's exhaust pipe. The exhaust gets it warm enough in there that I can get a month or so head start on warm germinators and tomatoes. It is in a fairly narrow space between 2 houses, so I don't have to worry about it overheating due to direct sunlight.

Thanks Kylie, you know your right I need meds more than flowers but the meds don't bring me joy like the flowers do. Besides that they tell me there is no 12 step program for all you flower addicts. I had no ideal that postage went up again. Must have slept right through that one. I have some plants I need to plant too, but I need some other things to plant with them> LOL What I really need is my head examined. All kidding aside, I need to go get a dump truck load of good soil/potting mixture and pot up a bunch of stuff. But even the dirt is so high it's unreal. Thanks for dragging my head out of the clouds and me back down to earth. Slapping my hand and telling myself...no more plants Marian, no more plants.(frown)You know how an addict is they will give up EVERYTHING but what they are addicted to. May have to get George to lock me up in the closet for a couple of days so I can detox (sp) or whatever they call it. I still have yours, Karyns, Brendas, and someone else's boxes of irises I need to round up and mail to ya'll. It's been too muddy to work out there the last couple of days. They should be going out in the next day or two soooo watch your mailboxes ladies! I'm not happy when I'm not trading or getting plants. What's an addict to do? Banging head on desk top!!! I can and will beat this. The day the bury me. LOL

Thanks, Green. I have been looking at an installation manual from the Tile Roofing Institute , so you make me feel like that was a good place to start. I did not think to look at manufacturer's websites, so I will take a look there, too. Thanks for bringing up the weight concern and the alternatives. Embarrassingly, while I considered the load on my rafters, I did not consider the rest of the structure. I have been assuming that I would be okay for the following empirical reason. Right now, I have a cedar shake roof and two layers of asphalt shingles. (Not my doing, it was like that when I bought the house!) Given the ages, I was estimating these to be about 300 lbs/square for the cedar, and say a total of 450 lbs/sq for the two asphalt layers, for a grand total of about 750. Medium weight clay tiles come in at about 800 lbs/sq. (Of course, there will be other stuff to go along with the tiles, too, so it is an open question.) My house is a 1929 brick veneer. I gather it has balloon framing on the gable walls and not so on the other walls. Who would be the go-to guy (or gal) to answer this question? A structural engineer?

I hope you won't shut up and knuckle under, Bart. Sounds like you came from an intolerant background. But you all do sound like an echo chamber. Guess it's nice to have common values. I think I value human rights too. Maybe re the bathroom issue human rights trump people's comfort zones, but I think forcing people on this issue is itself intolerant. People change gradually. IMO gradual change can be more lasting and more valid as it may come from the heart. Sometimes maybe there is not time to wait around for that. It's debatable. IMO Martin Luther King had it right as he didn't demonize anyone. He treated people like he wanted them to exist, to be around, to contain a different attitude and to relate to better to. Not to pound into oblivion, shame into like mindedness, trivialized, etc. IMO race relations and acceptance of gays got a lot better through the last half of the century and beyond. I think it came from the heart. From just living, discovering friends, finding that relationships were valuable, people who used to live more apart could work together. I know I took joy in it. The demonizing and force work against all that. The appropriation of identity politics issues. Some do it in a cynical way I believe.