Repeat flowering of Madame Isaac Pereire?
fragrancenutter
8 years ago
I am new to Bourbon roses. I just love fragrant roses so I had to try MIP after reading so many good things about her fragrance. I bought this as a large 2 year old plant in a pot grafted on Fortuniana. I planted it in Spring and it gave 2 flushes one immediately after another in Spring. After that she has produced giant basal canes which I have pegged. There are numerous laterals from the basals but it is late Autumn now and I still see no repeat flowering at all - not even a single flower after the initial flushes in Spring. I heard that the MIP flowers are supposed to look best in Autumn so I am expecting her to repeat here! Is she just too young or does she not repeat well in zone 10 Mediterranean climate? She is certainly very healthy otherwise and all my other roses repeat beautifully (apart from Gertrude Jekyll but that's another story...) What do you think? Am I being too impatient?
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AquaEyes 7a NJ
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Tips on moving an established Mme. Isaac Pereire
Comments (3)Agreed. This rose should move well. The more roots you save, the less cutting on top you have to do. I make a frame out of bamboo or pipe and put a shade cloth over it if the weather gets hot right after the move. A big market umbrella works well too. Don't let the midday sun beat down on the moved rose until the roots heal a bit. Now is the time to find a better spot and dig a HUGE hole. Bigger than the previous one. I'm on my third Madame P. and cannot get enough. One is trained up as a semi climber and one I maintain as a 5 foot bush. The other is trained out low ( more about that later). I let them grow as they will for 3 years and then the training begins. For the traditional bush- Once you get big sturdy canes coming up, shorten them back in summer after flowering when they look like so many fishing poles shooting out of the top of the bush. Then you should get a decent fall crop of flowers. I get some now and again through the year but only when I shorten the "poles" in the summer. If you leave the canes in the center taller, and trim the others progressively shorter as you go outward until at the very front, they are quite short, you will get a rose that spring blooms top to bottom! To increase the flowers, every year, do the spring pruning slightly higher than the year before so that you end up with what I call "branchy tops". That increases the flowers X4 or more. You have to figure out where you want the eventual height of the trimmed rose to be with this method and start trimming lower than that because by year 3 and four when its branchy it will be the final height you want. This training is only for plants that are throwing up big fat canes, not roses that are just moved and starting to establish in the first 3 or 4 years. Mine start out ( I dig them up and split them sometimes) as young tall thin plants and gradually build into big rounded bushes full of branchy ends that are loaded with flowers. If you don't force the branching on each cane, you will get one big bloom on the end of each tall wand ( how mine look in the first years) The last one I have is allowed to grow tall and then I bend it down- not quite pegged down to the earth- through the other plants. Then I get a huge crop through the geraniums, penstemon,iris,etc. ALL ALONG the long cane. This is the most work to do because you have to tie them down to poles and then you have the canes and poles to step around as you pull weeds and mulch. I think it's worth it if you want these huge blooms by the bucket full. Truly this is one of the best roses heaven ever gave us and there are many great ways to grow it. I even grew one in a pot but don't think it could get the size it needs to get because it needs lots of room for the roots to get big so you can get the amazing flowers. Shake out the water that rained overnight into the open blooms into a glass bowl and you will taste something so rare...the amazing perfume as you drink the rainwater...try it for yourself..I do this whenever I can and it's a real treat for the senses. Good luck with the move. I know you will just love this rose once it gets over 4 years old and becomes big....See MoreMadame Isaac Pereire is sulking..what to do???.
Comments (8)My original Madame came with the house (5 years ago), a huge old plant planted alongside a treated pine arbour. At first she was a sickly, rusty thing but when I walked out one mornoing to find the whole garden saturated with the scent of just one open bloom, I had to keep her and have since bought her a sister which I planted against another pillar. the canes grow very tall, so I either tie them up to the wire of the arbour or cut them. Ideally you should peg them out, but I dont have space for that, so I just chop off whatever looks awkward. It's not a pretty plant, inheriting ugly canes from its damask parents and sprawling dendancies from the Chinas, but the blooms make up for it. Now that I have improved the sandy soil with bentonite (cat litter) and have been giving more regular organic fertiliser, the foliage is looking really good and she is putting out new canes left-right and centre. I would give yours a good thick mulching with lupin mulch or sillilar and a drench with sea-weed tonic (not a fertiliser) to promote new canes from the base. Then, if you can, peg them out along the ground. Don't try and keep the stiunted old canes living. It seems to go better when you cut them off after theyre spent (as you have) and alow them to be replaced from the base. But thats just my experience. This may help. http://www.vintagerosery.com/roses/madameisaacpereire_.htm...See MoreMme Isaac Pereire and Sombreuil
Comments (10)I have Sombreuil along a wrought iron fence. It is a pretty white rose and repeats well. Not troubled by disease. Growth habit is dainty for a climber--canes are thin and flexible. The only thing I dislike about it is the petals don't fall cleanly--the old blooms hang on, brown, withered and dry, until you deadhead them, and it's hard to reach them! I've had Mme Isaac Pierre for 7 years. Her big attraction is the gorgeous blooms; dark raspberry pink and cupped full of petals. Downright romantic. And the fragrance is one of the best of any rose, it's especially wonderful in the big spring flush. Madame also blooms intermittently throughout the summer and fall. But she has a two serious downfalls for me. One is her size--she throws out huge arching canes over 12 ft long in this mild climate. She wants to rule the yard and I have to keep her pruned all the time. Definitely out of scale with the rest of my roses. But if you have the room, that's not an issus. The real problem is she is so disease prone. Tons of rust every spring with the cool nights and fog. And then when it warms up, you get powdery mildew everywhere when the summer nights are warm. You have to really spray and drench it to bits with fungicide, and I'm tired of doing that....See MoreMme Isaac Pereire/Mme Ernest Calvat
Comments (9)'Mme de Sevigne' is more climber-ish than MIP, but it may be what you're seeking. There are several other long-caned Bourbons out there. 'Deuil de Dr. Reynaud' is another one. Yet another is 'Souvenir du President Lincoln'. And, yes, there are some Hybrid Perpetuals of similar habit. I like my 'Pierre Notting', which has the same type of shape, but grows more slowly. It's also certainly not pink, but rather a deep wine-red leaning into purple. By chance, did you get to buy the Vintage Gardens' catalog before they closed? If so, look through their Bourbons of growth habits #3 and #4 to start, then search their names on HelpMeFind to see if anyone still sells them. Otherwise, look through some of the nurseries' online listings of Bourbons and check them out on HMF. :-) ~Christopher...See More
jerijen
8 years ago
fragrancenutter
8 years agojerijen
8 years agoWell, at least 3 years. More, probably, if it's on its own roots. The more mature it becomes, the more fall repeat it should have, but I don't think the fall bloom EVER approached the spring bloom. Of course, it may be much better in a different climate.
I've seen Paul Neyron, for instance, growing very clean in Northern CA -- where in my area it is an unceasing rust bucket. So there is likely a place and climate in which MIP is happy, productive and healthy. But that place is not coastal Southern California.
OTOH, I get great blooms and good repeat in all but the hottest part of summer, from "Old Town Novato." And that's why we haven't grown MIP in years, and DO grow two of OTN.
Here is OTN:
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