rouge21 - how's that Aralia Sun King looking?
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Nevermore44 - 6a
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
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New Ming Aralia... looks droopy
Comments (11)Pyramids - appropriate pot size isn't determined by how large the prospective pot is, relative to how large the pot that contains the plant now is. It's determined by soil choice. If you use a soil coarse enough that it doesn't support a soggy layer of perched water at the bottom of the pot, you could pot your existing plant in a 55 gal drum today if you want to. Actually, using a soil like that would be very good for the plant, given the plant's aversion to wet feet. Here's a picture of a soil that works extremely well for aralia, followed by something about pot size. I also included a scenario that illustrates the benefits of repotting, which includes a change of soil and root pruning, in comparison to simply potting up a pot size, which ensures limitations related to root congestion will always be a factor that limits growth and vitality. I hope you find the info useful. Choosing an Appropriate Size Container How large a container ‘can’ or ‘should’ be, depends on the relationship between the mass of the plant material you are working with and your choice of soil. We often concern ourselves with "over-potting" (using a container that is too large), but "over-potting" is a term that arises from a lack of a basic understanding about the relationship we will look at, which logically determines appropriate container size. It's often parroted that you should only move up one container size when "potting-up". The reasoning is, that when potting up to a container more than one size larger, the soil will remain wet too long and cause root rot issues, but it is the size/mass of the plant material you are working with, and the physical properties of the soil you choose that determines both the upper & lower limits of appropriate container size - not a formulaic upward progression of container sizes. In many cases, after root pruning a plant, it may even be appropriate to step down a container size or two, but as you will see, that also depends on the physical properties of the soil you choose. It's not uncommon for me, after a repot/root-pruning to pot in containers as small as 1/5 the size as that which the plant had been growing in prior to the work. Plants grown in ‘slow’ (slow-draining/water-retentive) soils need to be grown in containers with smaller soil volumes so that the plant can use water quickly, allowing air to return to the soil before root issues beyond impaired root function/metabolism become a limiting factor. We know that the anaerobic (airless) conditions that accompany soggy soils quickly kill fine roots and impair root function/metabolism. We also know smaller soil volumes and the root constriction that accompany them cause plants to both extend branches and gain o/a mass much more slowly - a bane if rapid growth is the goal - a boon if growth restriction and a compact plant are what you have your sights set on. Conversely, rampant growth can be had by growing in very large containers and in very fast soils where frequent watering and fertilizing is required - so it's not that plants rebel at being potted into very large containers per se, but rather, they rebel at being potted into very large containers with a soil that is too slow and water-retentive. This is a key point. We know that there is an inverse relationship between soil particle size and the height of the perched water table (PWT) in containers. As particle size increases, the height of the PWT decreases, until at about a particle size of just under 1/8 inch, soils will no longer hold perched water. If there is no perched water, the soil is ALWAYS well aerated, even when the soil is at container capacity (fully saturated). So, if you aim for a soil (like the gritty mix) composed primarily of particles larger than 1/16", there is no upper limit to container size, other than what you can practically manage. The lower size limit will be determined by the soil volume's ability to allow room for roots to ’run’ and to furnish water enough to sustain the plant between irrigations. Bearing heavily on this ability is the ratio of fine roots to coarse roots. It takes a minimum amount of fine rootage to support the canopy under high water demand. If the container is full of large roots, there may not be room for a sufficient volume of the fine roots that do all the water/nutrient delivery work and the coarse roots, too. You can grow a very large plant in a very small container if the roots have been well managed and the lion's share of the rootage is fine. You can also grow very small plants, even seedlings, in very large containers if the soil is fast (free-draining and well-aerated) enough that the soil holds no, or very little perched water. I have just offered clear illustration why the oft repeated advice to ‘resist pottting up more than one pot size at a time’, only applies when using heavy, water-retentive soils. Those using well-aerated soils are not bound by the same restrictions. As the ht and volume of the perched water table are reduced, the potential for negative effects associated with over-potting are diminished in a direct relationship with the reduction - up to the point at which the soil holds no (or an insignificant amount) of perched water and over-potting pretty much becomes a non-issue. Repotting vs Potting Up I often explain the effects of repotting vs potting up like this: Let's rate growth/vitality potential on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. We're going to say that trees in containers can only achieve a 9. Lets also imagine that for every year a tree goes w/o repotting or potting up, its measure of growth/vitality slips by 1 number, That is to say you pot a tree and the first year it grows at a level of 9, the next year, an 8, the next year a 7. Lets also imagine we're going to go 3 years between repotting or potting up. Here's what happens to the tree you repot/root prune: year 1: 9 year 2: 8 year 3: 7 repot year 1: 9 year 2: 8 year 3: 7 repot year 1: 9 year 2: 8 year 3: 7 You can see that a full repotting and root pruning returns the plant to its full potential within the limits of other cultural influences for as long as you care to repot/root prune. Looking now at how woody plants respond to only potting up: year 1: 9 year 2: 8 year 3: 7 pot up year 1: 8 year 2: 7 year 3: 6 pot up year 1: 7 year 2: 6 year 3: 5 pot up year 1: 6 year 2: 5 year 3: 4 pot up year 1: 5 year 2: 4 year 3: 3 pot up year 1: 4 year 2: 3 year 3: 2 pot up year 1: 3 year 2: 2 year 3: 1 This is a fairly accurate illustration of the influence tight roots have on a woody plant's growth/vitality. You might think of it for a moment in the context of the longevity of bonsai trees vs the life expectancy of most trees grown as houseplants, the difference between 4 years and 400 years lying primarily in how the roots are treated. Al...See MoreAralia 'Sun King'
Comments (2)Do a search on the perennials forum. Rouge21 has this plant and has had no issues with seeding. I know other Aralias (where I work in zone 5b/6a on the NH seacoast) are a problem with seeding, but 'Sun King' isn't supposed to have that problem....See MoreShow us your A.S.K (Aralia Sun King)
Comments (23)A NH gardener who isn't on the forum much has one about that size. I don't know how long it takes to get there, but I'm wondering how much moisture plays a part. As an example, hosts are drought tolerant, but they come from a high moisture environment. They reach their full potential with adequate water. Wondering if Aralia is the same. At least I know with our short growing season that this size is possible! Wish I knew more about how to get it this size, other than time....See MoreAralia ‘Sun King’
Comments (11)Aralia cordata is very manageable. While it gets quite big in my climate (6'x6'), it does not spread aggressively. And if it should, both the white tubers and the young foliage are highly edible :-) This is cultivated as a food crop in Japan. I use 'Sun King' a lot in my design work and find it a wonderful big splash of easy to almost no care color. While it can grow happily in full sun, I prefer it in part shade. Too much shade and it will lose that golden yellow color and become more of a limey, chartreuse green...See MoreNevermore44 - 6a
8 years agoruth_mi
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago'ruth', I thought of you when I snapped these couple of pictures of another of our 3 ASK.
ruth_mi
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agoHere's my ASK today. It's about 5' tall and will continue to grow taller. There is an oakleaf hydrangea across the path to give some sense of scale.
ruth_mi
8 years ago
GardenHo_MI_Z5
8 years ago
NHBabs z4b-5a NH
8 years agoa2zmom_Z6_NJ
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agoHello a2zmom. Mine today is 4 feet by 4 feet. But having learned from last year's unexpected growth I have been regularly trimming the width. I plan to keep it about this breadth all season and we shall see how tall it gets for me.
a2zmom_Z6_NJ
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agochristinmk z5b eastern WA
8 years agoGardenHo_MI_Z5
8 years agoI planted these lovelies yesterday.
They are very happy....I swear they grew overnight! I just love how they "glow".
Thyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agoHey Rouge, here's pic with my 6' husband next to it. I can only describe it as a beast. It grows so quickly. I plant epimediums around it so there's something to look at while it's late coming out. Then I usually cut off a handful of bottom branches since they're all the way to the ground to expose the epimedium throughout the season. You can sort of see them in the second pic.
ruth_mi
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
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8 years agoMarie Tulin
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agoThyme2dig NH Zone 5
8 years agoMarie Tulin
8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
7 years agoUPDATE 2016:
I want to hear how your ASK is doing these days. Scanning this thread I see that some of you only planted it last season. It should have arisen by now.
Here is one of our 3 as of a couple of days ago.
ruth_mi
7 years agogreenhearted Z5a IL
7 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
7 years agogreenhearted Z5a IL
7 years ago
FrozeBudd_z3/4
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
7 years agoFrozeBudd_z3/4
7 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
7 years agoNHBabs z4b-5a NH
7 years agoFrozeBudd_z3/4
7 years agoNHBabs z4b-5a NH
7 years agoFrozeBudd_z3/4
7 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
7 years agoFrozeBudd_z3/4
7 years agorouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
6 years agoUpdate:
With all the wet and cooler weather this season one of our ASK is very large given that it isn't yet July 1st. It is about 4 feet tall and maybe 3 feet wide. Here it is as of today:
deanna in ME Barely zone 6a, more like 5b
6 years ago
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