Some years ago, I consulted with a local botanical garden on a selection of small roses for a Children's Garden. I asked them whether thornlessness was a priority. They said, no. It was not. They felt, in fact, that it was best children learn early that some plants have thorns or prickles. I was reminded of my younger brother, who learned the hard way that you should not insert toy knives into electrical outlets. Jeri

Here is the information from Jim.. "My Cl PT is right outside the study window; if it has shortish stems on long canes and turns a dark purplish red in fade, I would guess yes, it is. The other possibility would be Red Sweetheart, since that is a lighter color than PT." I questioned if Red Sweetheart would achieve that size... "No. Not usually, but remember that they are pretty much the same crosses (LAK, RS, ClPT), and have potential for size that largely goes unrecorded....If I hadnâÂÂt seen LAK at CaroleâÂÂs, I would never believe that it could cover the side of a garage...." From HMF for Red Sweetheart: The discussion of parentage in the patent is rather complicated, but the parentage is not. Apparently this rose resulted from this cross: (open-pollinated seedling of a red rose) x 'Cecile Brunner'. (The red rose was derived from 'Cecile Brunner', and was the male parent in 'Pasadena Tournament'). (Throughout the patent, Cecile is misspelled as Cecil) Your guess would be as good as anyone's whether this is Red Sweetheart, Lady Ann Kidwell or Cl Pasadena Tournament. Kim

Thanks everyone for the information! You all have been really helpful! I planted a star jasmine at another home, and I do remember that being a nice plant. There is a family-owned nursery less than a mile from my house. They are really great with plants that do well only in this area. I will definitely talk to them!! They don't seem to carry very many varieties of roses. (There is another larger family-owned nursery across town that has a great website that I have visited. ) That's why I posted to this forum. Obviously, I don't have much experience with roses!! Basically knock-out roses is all I have, and do well wherever!! Harrborrose -- I'm a bit confused about my zone. To register for this site, I googled "find my garden zone" and went to garden.org and entered my zip code. It says my zone is 7B. The map looks to change right near my area. Thanks everyone! I have previously heavily relied on 3 books that I have for DFW gardening. But was just hoping that something different would work. Sounds like this is not the place for that!!

Your rose looks similar to a rose in the Sacramento Cemetery, our found rose, "Dr Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie" is thornless, once blooming. Very fragrant. This found rose is thought to be the same as the Charles Lawson in commerce. Below is a link to a photo I took in the cemetery a few years ago. I liked this rose so much that I propagated it and planted it in my yard even though it is a once bloomer. It is quite vigorous and now takes up the back corner along the fence. Here is a link that might be useful: Dr Peck's 12th Ave Smoothie/Charles Lawson