Your biggest achievement as a tomato grower…
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Comments (6)No, no, no, no, and no! You need to understand how tomato plants operate in our climate. They grow vigorously in our climate in May and June, and sometimes in April, if April is consistently warm enough. Once the intense summer heat arrives their growth slows down. Air temperatures can prevent fruitset, so you need every possible blossom on the plants in May and June to ensure adequate fruitset while the temperatures are in the right range for pollination/fertilization to occur. If you remove blossoms during this 'prime time' for fruitset, you're going to have significantly fewer tomatoes. Once the daytime highs are exceeding about 92-95 degrees, fruitset is impeded by the heat. Once the nighttime lows are exceeding about 72-75 degrees, fruit set is impeded. So, here in OK, we have a relatively narrow time frame in which nights and days both remain cool enough for tomato fruitset to occur. It is further complicated by the fact that temperatures which are too low (below about 55 degrees) also impede fruitset. We sometimes have a fairly narrow window of opportunity for blossoms to set fruit because sometimes the nighttime temperatures go from 'too low' to 'too high' in a ridiculously short period of time. Humidity also plays a role in pollination/fertilization. I will see fruitset on my plants during drought even when temperatures are exceptionally high if the humidity is remaining exceptionally low. This will make you laugh but it illustrates why you shouldn't remove blossoms (or too much foliage): When we lived in Texas, an unfriendly next-door neighbor decided to plant tomato plants in her backyard in almost full shade. Then, as the poor plants struggled to grow at all in the shade, she methodically picked off every blossom and most of the leaves. Finally, in mid- to late-summer, her spouse asked me why her plants were not producing fruit like ours were. (She wouldn't ask because she didn't speak to us or to any of the other neighbors as near as I could tell.) Struggling to control my urge to smile, I solemnly told him that every time she was pinching off a flower, she was 'killing' a potential tomato. No blossoms. No fruit. I also told him that she was removing too much foliage and that I neither pruned off foliage or pinched off blossoms. I explained that the leaves are important because they conduct photosynthesis which the plants need in order to grow and produce, and that the blossoms are the fruit! There was a long silence and then he concluded that he guessed he'd just keep his mouth shut and not say anything to her at all for the sake of keeping peace in the family. I nodded my head and agreed with him that keeping his mouth shut likely was a good idea since she was not the kind of person to take advice kindly. I did always wonder if she ever figured out that she had no fruit because she left no blossoms on the plants. There are valid reasons to pinch off blossoms in certain, highly specialized instances. For example, if you're a competitive tomato grower and are trying to raise gigantic tomatoes to enter in 'biggest tomato' contests, then you remove most of the blooms from a plant so that the few you leave on the plant will have the potential to produce the largest tomato possible. Another example would be in the autumn as your season is winding down. There's a point at which any flowers that form and set fruit will not have time to mature those fruit before frost arrives. So, some people begin pinching blossoms at that point so all the plants' energy goes into ripening the tomatoes already on the plant. Also, if stress causes a tomato plant to set blooms while the plant itself is just a few inches tall, it usually is better to pinch those off because the plants aren't large enough to support the fruit. Pinching off blossoms gives you fewer but larger tomatoes and that's why some people do it. I'd rather have a lot of average-sized tomatoes than a few huge ones, though....See MoreWhere do you get your tomato seeds from? And when?
Comments (17)I use Hazzard's Wholesale Seeds. Most seeds come in a minimum packet size of 250 seeds except some expensive hybrids that come in 100 seed packets. You can get better prices on the hybrids elsewhere, but for open pollinated tomato seeds you get 250 seeds (actually most packs have about 280 seeds) for about twice to three times the price of what other dealers would charge for 20 to 50 seeds. They sell 7000 varieties of flower and vegetable and herb seeds, and their catalog is about an inch thick, but no pretty pictures. Shipping is a flat $5.95. but once you order from them they will keep sending you free shipping offers. A lot of packets, but not all, have the germination test data on them, which very few other vendors provide. So if you are growing plants for sale and need a lot of seeds they are a good place to buy from, but if you are only going to start a couple of plants better to go to one of the retail vendors, even though your per seed price would be much higher. Shipping is very fast and so far they have had everything in stock, all my orders arrived in four to six business days from when I ordered the seeds....See MoreBIGGEST Tomato of 2007
Comments (37)Yes I believe that Miracle Grow made the offer for 2 years and then withdrew it. However, they did hire the person who grew the world record and I am very certain that if you grow a world record and use Miracle Grow at least a little in growing it then they will come to you with a financial offer. I suspect you can still get the $100,000 from allowing them to use your endorcement of their products. But that is obviously not guaranteed. I want to say that I want to collect suckers from plants that grow big tomatoes. I want to root them and try to grow them under similar conditions to assess their growing ability. So if anyone grows a tomato of 2 pounds, I am interested in getting a rooted cutting or just some cuttings and I will root them. I will of course pay expenses. Carolyn, You are correct. The seeds are not the same as a rooted cutting. all the seeds will grow slightly different plants with slightly different genetics. So lets say I grow 100 plants of Omar's Lebanese or any other plant. Hopefully I will get a couple that will have a 2 pounder on it. Now my idea is to save the plant until the following year and then grow it as a competition plant and see what happens. With some luck I hope to push it to maybe 2 and a half or maybe 3 pounds and if I have a good group of them I hope I can get at least one to do better. Well obviously one in a larger group will grow the largest one. Now if I had a farm and could grow 1000 plants I could make some progress. However, I can only grow a limited number in the yard. So I need help getting the preliminary filtering of the plants to find some good ones. Will my idea work. Probably not. Will I have fun trying. You bet. Let me say this about growing for size and not taste. I grow way too many tomatoes to eat. I dont sell them. I figure why not have one or two plants dedicated to growing a big one. It will not mean that I eat fewer tomatoes all summer. I have enough tomatoes and tomato juice and tomato salsa so that I do not need to make more next year. So instead of growing and putting them into quart jars, I will grow a few plants for size. I fully intend to grow all my regular tomatoes just as always. Also I will admit that it was reading the book Giant Tomatoes that turned me on to wanting to try next year. So if anyone grows a big one. Just post it on GW and I will pop up and email you. Just make sure you allow emails from GW members. I wish everyone the best of luck next year and I hope I have some luck also. I already have my seeds of Big Zac and I expect those to do the best but I am willing to grow other ones also....See MoreYour experiences growing Tomatoes in 5 gallon pots?
Comments (19)I regularly container grow a few kinds of tomatoes every year. Usually something for the porch for snacking tomatoes, and a couple to a few 5 gallon container kinds just for general growing out and testing- I know a lot of people that want smaller sized tomato plants, I always throw some of this into my growing plans. Sometimes I grow inappropriate tomatoes in pots to stress test or overwinter tomatoes. So in my experience, yes, tomatoes can be grown in five gallon pots successfully. You must pay attention to what kind of tomato plant it is though. And treat that plant differently than you would an in ground or even a bigger potted tomato. Indeterminates are pretty much right out. Even the smaller of them are still a bit overwhelming for that size pot. An exemption to this is if you WANT to bonsai a tomato. People want to do this sometimes for various reasons with a large plant instead of a small one. But that's probably a whole different thing than what the OP is looking for. Don't think all determinate are OK - a lot of them get really rather large, from 4-6 feet- that's getting to be too big for a 5 gallon too. You want stuff that stays under 4 feet tall for better results out of a 5 gallon pot. A general "rule of thumb" for me is a gallon per foot- a 5 gallon pot should top out max at 5 feet, and this should include the pot. Fruit sizes on plants- like Dave said, a lot of cherries are monsters. While a lot of the more common of the container suitable varieties grow around cherry-ish sized fruit, don't let that fool you into thinking anything that's a cherry stays small as a plant. Container suitable plants can also grow all the other sizes and shapes of tomato fruits- except huge beefsteaks. Small beefsteaks yes, but I've yet to see a good successful grow of large beefsteaks. Now, what you are really looking for are some key terms- and these pertain to growth habit. Dwarf, stocky, miniature, container, patio, and tumbling or cascading are all good terms. Phrases like "compact growth habit" and "urban grower" are also good to look for. Urban grower is showing up more in cities and greenhouses are smart enough to carry more patio/balcony sized veggie plants than they used to. Short season tomatoes are often a wee bit on the smaller side for growth habit. So look for terms like Siberian, ice A few favorite varieties around here.. Dwarf Wild Fred- this is an outstanding black plum, it's part of a whole line of Dwarf Project plants. Tasty, grows well, takes well to caging or staking. Jaune Flamme- a nice three foot tall plant that produces loads of orange saladette to plum sized fruits that start early and chug right on through the growing season. It can be a bit sprawly, so caging is better than staking with this one IMO. Totem is a classic red. Compact, responds well to caging or staking, it does not require much because it's a pretty stocky plant. Grows large cherry to salad sized fruit that is basic, balanced, and tasty. I have successfully grown this in a 1 gallon hanging pot, but it wasn't as good as a 5 gallon pot. Tumbling Tom yellow and red are nice little hanging plant. Flavor is pretty good. Needs a lot of watering though. You really need at least a three gallon hanging pot, and better a 5 gallon to plant in with multiple plants like cascading hangers usually are. How you grow your 5 gallon tomato is just as important as picking the right kind too. I actually use kitty litter buckets, because we have a lot of cats and those buckets and jugs are damn handy for all sorts of gardening chores. But the point is, you want a sturdy container and you will have to put drainage holes in the things. And you only want to grow tomatoes about 2/3 taller than the pot. So if your pot is 12" tall, you don't want to go much over a 2 foot tall plant, making for a 3 foot total. An 18" deep pot can help you bump up to a three foot tall plant. If you over-reach your tomato pot depth:plant height ratio, you might have make considerations for top-heaviness. This is part of that gallon per foot thing I already mentioned. A 5 gallon pot that is ideally 18" deep with a 3-4' tall plant is in that 5 foot tall range of plant, including pot. They still need support, and those crap-o-la tomato cages that are normally pointless in the garden are actually perfect for this. They set nicely into that size container. Otherwise I would suggest sinking one or two 2x2 poles into your bucket for if you want to stake your tomato instead of cage it. As companion plants if you choose to have any in your 5 gallon pot... I would recommend cut and come again lettuce or spinach as a mulch plant. Basil or parsley as more ariel and insect byplay plants. Basil is a bit nicer because it can also be a trap plant for aphids and is easier to pull out and replant entirely if needed. If you like peppery greens, nasturtiums are tasty, all edible, look absolutely lovely trailing out of 5 gallon containers, and are aphid traps too. I don't really recommend any companion planting in a 5 gallon pot because you want the best of everything to go to your tomato. But I understand that often one likes or needs to share space in a garden. I often plant in the patio pots with companions, but usually flat mulch all other 5 gallon pots. If you don't companion plant, I strongly suggest using a mulch, 1-2" deep- and this filling in the bottom of the top rim of the pot. Leave yourself generous watering space too. I generally use scrap straw in the spring, and grass clippings through the summer with dressings of coffee grounds to add a smidge of brown matter to the grass clippings....See MoreSeysonn_ 8a-NC/HZ-7
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