curbless mudset shower w/out door
Is this going to be cold without a door or get water all over my bathroom floor? The shower measures 4'7" by 5' by design. I requested curbless and the builder wrote it in the spec. Now I'm doubting that choice. The opening is 30" of the 5' wall and this is the wall the shower head will be placed on (spraying in). Will add a second head, either rain or facing in from the same wall the opening is on. Caution: crude MS paint picture.
Is this an okay idea or am I asking for trouble without the glass? The entire shower is framed otherwise (4" walls).
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9 years agolast modified: 9 years agoCurbless (Hobless) mud-set shower w/out door
Here is an example of one way you might tackle your project. The shower you are looking at is under a flood test (3 days) and the blue membrane is NobleSeal CIS. The dark brown product is Ardex 8+9.
The light blue product is also NobleSeal CIS but it is obviously not wet.
More info on the process here: NOBLESEAL CIS FLOOD TEST PHOTOS Pictures showing how to mark a flood test and how to check the P-Trap before covering the ceiling below with drywall.The tub in the foreground later got covered with a slab. We added two capillary breaks to the job and the tile work tiled everything together.
Capillary Breaks for Barrier Free Shower Designs · More InfoThis shower has roughly 1 1/4" of drop between the large 2'x2' tile and the top of the ACO drain. The linear drain is the tile insert version and not my favourite choice for a barrier free shower build - but is certainly looks pretty.
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Comments (12)Mongoct/Live Wire Oak, Thanks for the replies. Here's a photo I took right after the hot mop was done. You see it terminates at the outer half wall surface with a 'lip' maybe 1" tall (I didn't measure it so just guessing). So that centered tile in the entry sits above that and during a normal shower the water line (water that splashes over the drain to the door) doesn't go past about halfway the thickness of those half walls or doesn't go past the glass door that's centered between those half walls. So if I understand what you're saying about the capillary break, the tiler should've physically separated the thinset/mud under the entry area tile by creating a physical divider barrier to separate it from the thinset/mud under the rest of the tiles on the bathroom floor? I'm picturing a thin vertical layer of sealant (or membrane) from the bottom of the tile surface through thinset all the way through the mud down to meet the hot mop 'lip'? That would then form a barrier and force the water that gets under the tile to stay in the pan and go back towards the drain. I'm still trying to get a feel for how much water could be sitting under my bathroom floor (worst case) or if it's limited to a few areas of damp thinset due to wicking that are showing up as dark grout spots (best case?). Relative to the amount of water that seems to be making it down the drain, how much water are we talking about that could be wicking out through the thinset/mud/grout? 10%? 20%? 50%? How long does it take for the water that eventually sits on the concrete slab to evaporate or absorb into the slab itself? And what damage would this cause long term assuming the water never makes it to any wood?...See Morerules on having curb or curbless shower entry
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9 years agolast modified: 9 years agoExamples of non mudset showers with out doors
This shower was done with a topical waterproofing membrane. The last time I used AquaDefence from Mapei on any project. We hired a structural engineer and used 8" LVL's for the firs time a few years back.
White Marble Curbless Shower - Vancouver West Side · More InfoA grading challenge. We graded up a little into the room and then back down. This is a proper European wet room and if the sink or toilet fails the water will travel to the shower drain. The entire space I heated as well. Including the shower bench.
Curbless Showers - Wet Rooms · More InfoMy very first curbless shower. This shower featuered in House and Home years back. Is used Kerdi back then but have since learned of much better and less restrictive setting materials. Does show you can build these showers every which way.
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9 years agolast modified: 9 years ago
Another barrier free shower. This client requested Kerdi but I used Kerdi DS because Kerdi is just too thin for my liking. This photo with overlay shows some of the planning that goes into a proper wet room. Things are rarely flat. This job the client ordered a linear drain from Proline and a steam shower from ThermaSol. More info on planning:
STEP ONE - BUILDING A BARRIER FREE SHOWERTo make the temporary flood test I used some banding and some Ardex 8+9.
Anyone building barrier free showers for you should be able to show you a dozen examples of the work. I could go on and on but you should get the point that there is more than one way to skin a cat. In all of my builds since day one I have never found one system that can do the job start to finish. It just does not exist.
As a warning I would suggest that the advice you follow online come from people you can prove do this work for a living. No doubt there will be loads of advice given out across various forms. But with a little digging you will find 95% of the posting coming from "Pretend Builders" or people who google info and then act like they do this work for a living. You are in a high risk massive downside build. Make sure the people you hire or talk to for help do this work for a living.
There is less than 12 people online with the skills and the know how. Here on Houzz we can not debate our facts or our work practices. So if you read info from one poster that is wrong and someone else offers up another point of view you might muddle some false facts with some proper advice. Pick and choose the advice you receive. And do a simple checking of the other posters work. You will find like I'm sure that most of the most active writers in fact never have even tried a job like your attempting.
These jobs are extremely challenging to plan out. The tile layout is key. I'm finding more and more clients are enjoying this help from my mini shower design calls. If you need more one on one help please take a moment to study the reviews I'm getting on Houzz. The skills learned from building and screwing up curbless showers (which I have done in the past) are valuable lessons. Many of the showcased showers on Houzz here may in fact be failing from day one. The work that goes in behind the scenes is key.
Rachel (Zone 7A + wind)
9 years agoRachel (Zone 7A + wind)
9 years ago
sjhockeyfan325
9 years agoRachel (Zone 7A + wind)
9 years agohow much would a glass door run? Are they super expensive? Could I put one on? I'm imagining the opening would be like this:
Is the above install (proposed) more or less expensive than something like this. The bathtub would be similarly co-located, but straight. Currently separated by interior wall as above.
The advantage I see to an actual wall is that I could put a small TV there. Disadvantage is lack of light since no window in my installation.
millworkman
9 years agoRachel (Zone 7A + wind)
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