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Considering downsizing Advice desperately needed!

J Corn
9 years ago

Have you downsized? I could use your input. Desperately need advice. If you've downsized did you end up paying more for a home smaller than your former home? Did you move to a condo?

Here is our basic info and challenges:

First, we do not have to downsize yet but we. We love our home BUT after 27 years of living here, costs are adding up. The home is large. It has a 2nd floor. We are heading into retirement. We are having to pay more for tasks we used to handle ourselves (mulching, deck staining, lawn mowing, some landscaping, etc).

Homes here appreciate slowly and our 3000 sq ft home, in an excellent neighborhood, has barely doubled in value in 27 years. This is typical for the city.

Even so, in the current housing market we'd be hard pressed to get a home with what we need for a reasonable price. We'd have to pay as much as we paid (27 years ago) or more for a ranch home (our preference, no stairs) and at least 3 bedrooms ( we have an adult special needs son who needs a room as well as frequent guests).

Again: if you've downsized did you simply bite the bullet and pay more for less home? Did you move to a condo? What were the major benefits -and problems- in downsizing? Did you regret it?

Comments (21)

  • weedyacres
    9 years ago

    First of all, you need to not compare the cost of a small house now to the cost of a large house in 1988. That's apples and oranges. Of course it'll be more. But you'll also sell your house for a lot more. You'll come out ahead cash-wise.

    We downsized a year and a half ago. Used to have 4400 sf on 7 acres, now live in 940 sf on 1/3 acre. It was a bit of an accidental downsize: we were moving and bought the small house as a temporary crash pad until the big house sold. But the significantly lower taxes, insurance, and utilities made us decide to try a downsized life and see if it worked. We're empty nesters and don't have a lot of visitors, but figured we could easily pay to put them up in hotels with the savings from our housing costs.

    We have decided to add on a couple hundred sf (laundry room/powder room/office), and we really need a garage. But aside from that, living in a smaller place, and the decluttering necessitated by such is liberating. Not that the decluttering is done yet....


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    Here's what you're saying......

    We are heading into retirement. We are having to pay more for tasks we
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    And this is what I'm hearing.....

    I'm not really up for the outside maintenance associated with a house.


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    Jewelisfabulous

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  • ianna
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  • Rudebekia
    8 years ago

    Keep in mind that there are all sorts of condos. I'm moving to one and there is no pool or party room, no exercise room, no concierge services. Parking is included in the cost of the home. All in all the monthly costs will be notably less than those of running my current single family home, and I'm not paying for any of the amenities I wouldn't use anyway. Mine is not a high rise building but a 4 story in a small city with less than 30 units. Perfect size for me.


  • User
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  • cpartist
    8 years ago

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    Interesting when my parents were in their mid 50's back in the early 80's they decided to sell their colonial home in a desirable neighborhood and they bought a larger home on 2 acres in a more desirable neighborhood. They bought a ranch home. I asked my Mom back then why a ranch since she loved colonials. She said, "we're not getting any younger and we have to think of the future." They then redid the home adding a master suite and were happy in that house for many years. For them, a bigger home that was on one level, looking out on their gardens was what made my parents happy.

    Decide what it is you want. Don't figure you'll be saving money so much as changing your lifestyle to suit the next phase of your life.


  • patty_cakes42
    8 years ago

    I'll be listing soon for the very same reason. At 2500+ sq ft, 4br/3ba I want something smaller and on one level, even though the master is on the first level, as well as an additional bedroom/ full bath. I'm ok with a smaller yard because I still want to 'plan in the dirt.' I would also consider a condo or townhouse, but also need the small yard for my dog.

    I'll also be moving to a new location where i'll be closer to my daughter and her family.

  • Annegriet
    8 years ago

    I have also been posting questions about downsizing to a condo. I am trying to think of it as cpartist described--changing my lifestyle.