Tight two-way toilet run-off: Toto vs DXV
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Okay, tell me about Toto toilets
Comments (80)alex9179: "We're absolutely getting an advanced seat (used washlet term like Kleenex). I haven't decided which brand. "I really like the idea of stainless wands and the silver oxide sanitizing feature of the Coway and Brondell, as well as their lower profile. I live in the very humid south, so any extra anti-germ feature for a toilet is great." You may be over-thinking. We spend a lot of time in Japan (relatives), where we have used Washlets and Inax advanced toilet seats many, many times; and the humidity (and summer heat) in much of Japan is at least as great as it is in the American South. Toto and Inax have been selling advanced toilet seats there for more than three decades, and I have never seen or heard of any problem that stainless steel wands or sanitized wands could solve. In modern models of advanced toilet seats, each wand is automatically flushed with water before and after each and every use . . . and the amount of splash-back during use is minuscule: the wands are located several inches below and away from the surface toward which the spray is directed. Two more important features than the ones that you mention are: (1) one-wand vs. two-wand designs; the two-wand (separate wands for posterior and feminine) is more efficient at cleaning (because of optimized angle of spray for each function); and -- relating to your earlier concern -- the posterior wand is not exposed to any splash-back when the feminine function is activated, and vice versa. (2) Possible maintenance. Toto and Lixil (parent of Inax) are GIANT international corporations, with major commitments to the American market (Lixil bought American Standard last year); and each subcontracts with American suppliers for subcomponents. With large warehouses and American suppliers, you are not likely to have parts unavailability problems with either Toto or Inax. Moreover, I suspect that a sanitizing mechanism will require a reservoir of a sanitizing fluid, and where do you go to purchase a refill? "Inax is known for longevity but is more expensive..." The site you are using for comparisons lists only the luxury L series (Luscence) model Inax toilet seats; the Inax C series (Clessence) seats (which have an integrated "armrest" control rather thn a "remote" control) are several hundred dollars less expensive, and (other than the "remote" control) are functionally the same as the L series. And -- honestly now -- how far are you planning to stray from the toilet seat: do you really need a remote control that allows you to operate a toilet seat in the bathroom from the comfort of your living room? This post was edited by herring_maven on Sat, Apr 19, 14 at 0:15...See MoreToto G-Max or E-Max toilet flushing system?
Comments (25)@sunfeather I've talked to plumbers on other forums & they said that the flush is about the same. Both have around a 1000 MAP score (which is very high & good). One of the main differences now between the Drake & Entrada is that the Drake now has a canister/tower flush mechanism instead of a flapper but the Entrada still uses a flapper. But I've had people tell me they still perform about the same. E-Max will use less water (so might need someone to hold the lever longer or do a second flush if there is something particularly stubborn in the toilet) but the benefit is that it will use less water & meet eco standards in some places. E-Max will probably save $ on water in the long run as well as up front on the costs since E-Max is cheaper. I would give it a try, but I can't say definitively until I use an E-Max toilet. If I ever finish the reno & get the E-Max installed, I'll give an update on how it performs compared to the G-Max ....See MorePlumber recommends against Toto???
Comments (38)Kitchenmom - Where are you buying your Toto? The reason I am asking is that, as I mentioned in my post above, my Toto Ultramax was installed by a guy who worked in the store where I bought it. He had been working for the store for years, and installed many of these, so he had the expertise. The store added $75 or $100 (I can't remember) for the installation, which I thought was reasonable, given what a plumber would have charged to come out and do it. So if you are buying your Toto from a nearby store, can you check with them whether they offer the installation service?...See MoreToto Drake/Drake II vs. Kohler Wellworth
Comments (12)artemis78: "The Wellworth has a better MaP rating (1000+ vs. 500-800 for the Totos) so I'm trying to figure out how meaningful that really is." Not meaningful at all at that level. The average dump is around 250-300 grams; anything above 400-500 is more than adequate. It is a Good Thing to have an objective standard to compare flushing performance, but there are two cautions that must accompany MaP numbers. The first is that, above a certain level, it makes zero difference. A toilet with a 300 MaP rating will flush 250 grams every bit as well as a toilet with a 1,000 MaP rating; once the stuff is flushed, it is flushed; the 1,000 MaP rated toilet cannot flush it four times. Does a car with a speedometer that goes up to 140 mph get around town any quicker than one with a speedometer that goes only to 100 mph? The second caution is that a MaP rating measures only one aspect of flushing performance: how many condoms of standard diameter and length stuffed with a specific miso paste (not all miso is alike) will be flushed in one action. But not all waste is identical; there will be the occasional hard turd, or the outsize diameter turd, or the extra long turd; the MaP test does not test how a toilet deals with waste of unusual sizes or consistency. If you have a teenager who uses much too much toilet paper, especially "Ultra" thick toilet paper, you may find to your dismay that a toilet rated highly for MaP does not handle paper clogging as well as a lower-MaP toilet. MaP does not deal with bowl streaking issues, either: some high-MaP-rated toilets all but demand that you keep a brush handy by the toilet to wipe down the bowl after a flush. The MaP test does not test noise, which may be an issue in a powder room just off the living room where guests gather or a bathroom adjacent to the nursery where the baby sleeps. We installed a Toto Vespin II, the skirted version of the Drake II, at the first of the year. After about 300 days of daily repeated use, we are delighted with it. It flushes everything the first time, reasonably quietly, and the Sanagloss finish on the inside of the bowl keeps streaking to a minimum. Nothing specifically negative to say about the Wellworth; but for the best overall performance, your choices really are between Toto and Inax (Inax is the BMW to Toto's Mercedes), which from a performance standpoint are far and away the top two brands of toilets in the world. Here is a link that might be useful: The other toilet you may not have considered...See Morebtnik
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