Lavender_lass, I, too, prefer the sink under the window but we were so motivated by the ease of venting the stove, there was no way to keep the sink on the same wall as the stove. Desertsteph, hard to say who works in the kitchen more. I do 90% of the cooking, DH does 90% of the cleanup. Besides the sink and lazy susan corner, there is only the drawer stack already plus the 18 DW to the left of the sink and the 9 full height door to the right of the stove for the griddle, cookies sheets & jelly roll pan and cutting board. The filler to the right of the stove is 1 inch plus a fraction, the filler to the left of the fridge is 3 inches plus a very small fraction. The fridge requires a minimum 2 inches of clearance when placed next to the wall in the corner. Palimpsest, you just gave me a wonderful idea. I NEVER thought about going behind the crown above the cabs, we were going to break through to the garage, do something with this very large antique mahogany cab that I use as my pantry on that wall and go out the side of the house. Up is not an option as it would be smack in the middle of the landing when you go up the attic steps (someday we hope to finish that off and add a bath if the kitchen or DH doesn't kill me first). I think I was under the false impression that the vent had to be a 6, 7 or 8 in ROUND. I will have to investigate this! Thank you!! Fori, I too prefer #2. All of our pots and pans are kept in a 24 inch 1 door cab now which was fine with us and Layout #1 mimicked that same access but in a 30 inch 2 door cab and we just thought that was so much better but over the w/e, I saw a 36 lazy susan display and said we can do this instead! It did look very roomy. Marcolo, thanks! I just think that with the DW to the left of the sink that will be so much better and easier to unload to the right for the drawer stack and dish cab and I will have more room to the side of the stove. Oh, I hope I'm a happy puppy! Clueless & Buehl, thanks for your vote! Deedles, I thought that too about #1 especially since I am tall. I guess it's one of those things that you really have to see and feel in person. We were going to go straight back initially but it would be impossible to access that cab above the sink in the corner and I just couldn't give up a cab. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! It was nice knowing you as I am sure the KD will kill me when I go back to her this week and make her rework everything.

Look at Bmorepanic's layout on Fri, Mar 12, 10 at 12:09; it has a similar layout for a range on that wall...only with more work room. You really need more than 12" next to a doorway for safety's sake. While 12" may be Code, that doesn't mean it's best, especially if you have/are planning to have gas. There also isn't much workspace room overall next to it...I know it's better than what she currently has, but that doesn't mean it's enough or that it can't be even better. Another consideration...be sure to have at least a 24" overhang if you have the range (or cooktop) in that location. I do not recommend seating behind a range or cooktop, but if you insist on doing it, at least make it safe! Venting will also be an issue...for truly adequate venting, you need an overhead range hood...in this case, you'll need an "island range hood". [The majority of downdrafts are ineffective. Telescoping downdrafts are better, but then you have a vent in front of anyone sitting there and it's only effective for items right next to it and shorter than it by several inches.] About island range hoods... First, island range hood's are more expensive than wall hoods. Second, an island hood will hang down in front of anyone working or sitting there, will block the view to/from the DR & Kitchen, and will put the noise of a hood in your visitor's ears...and if you put in a raised bar, it's even worse b/c your visitors will be sitting another 6" higher and closer to the hood. Third, island range hoods need to be larger and/or stronger than wall hoods b/c of the increased air currents...meaning more $$ and more noise. Noise can be cut down by getting an even stronger hood and running it on low, but that adds yet more $$$ Fourth, that hood hanging down will most likely be a "commanding presence"...unless you get a low profile hood (meaning a thin hood) and/or glass (which means cleaning it often)...but those hoods have even less capture capability b/c there's no place to trap smoke/steam/grease/odors/etc. for venting out...so that means an even larger hood and more power and probably mounting even lower. IMHO, it's made even worse b/c the area is so small...a large hood will overwhelm that small peninsula. There are three main differences b/w BmorePanic's layout & JohnLiu's: Seating on the DR side of the kitchen. Is there room to take 24" of counter + seating space out of it? I can't tell from the pictures. Refrigerator location...I like John's location better b/c it puts it on the periphery and allows outsiders to get to it w/o interfering with those working in the kitchen DW location....I like Bmorepanic's better...it keeps the DW out of the Cooking Zone and out of the best Prep Zone...also across from the range. Why is that the best Prep Zone? Two reasons: (1) Because it's directly across from the range so going back & forth is easier and (2) It's out of traffic coming in/out of the kitchen. ...

I want to thank everyone for their help and for encouraging me to get rid of the old pantry wall. That has made for much better layout of the space. I think I need to change the title now though, it's not so tiny and cramped now. LOL We've been busy and the offending wall is now gone. =) The bedroom door has been moved to the living room wall. We have been able to move the woodstove over against the right wall using some elbows in the stove pipe. What do you think of the following layout? (the 10ft. wall is not built, all other walls and doors are as shown) I like the booth type seating, which will probably be 2 benches and a table. I have moved the freezer to where I had the fridge since it was in the pantry. Then moved the fridge next to it. (It would be recessed into the wall behind so would not stick out quite as much as shown.) Pantry storage will be replaced by the cabinets next to the fridge. Microwave would sit in that area too. It gives us more wall space in the living room. I know it sounds weird, but we are mountain bikers and need some wall space for bicycle storage. =) Yes, they live in the house. LOL Let me know what you think!

I just noticed I've posted under two separate logins. Sorry about the confusion but you probably already figured that out! I've done a few more in the Ikea planner based on Clueless's ideas but with the 28" LG you like. Are you definitely doing Ikea? I don't think a full door fridge will work near that wall with its big doors unless it's scooted way over at the loss of counter prep space by the range. A french door counter depth would alleviate some of the location issues, but reduces counter space by 6". I'm assuming you won't have the budget to do the structural work since you are limiting yourself to 30K all inclusive. And it sounds like you have lots on the to do list. Glitter ceilings?!?! That would be #1 for me! Of course, more window space would be fantastic but may not be realistic. If it is doable, all the better. Good lighting and a space design that works for you can still make this tiny kitchen very functional. I've left cabinets off the sink wall but if you feel you need more storage you could do something like Bettyglo did. How do you feel about lack of symmetry and sinks not under the window. I did this with the 24"Domsjo with trash/recycle under. This wall can be configured with a 24" or 36"w fridge and/or bigger sink. That is, if you can give up symmetry for better work space. Don't know if you can live with the DW by the door, but gives you a 30" base. Here is a link if you want to play around.