Rose advice- rose to compliment mutabilis and plumeria
Adam Harbeck
9 years ago
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Comments (8)Hi! I am new to the forum, but my similarly-situated Mutabilis has fallen over just like yours, twice now. The first time I used the fence posts to tie it back up, but when she fell over again a month ago, she pulled the fence posts so that my fence was leaning in. It is very possible that if I had done it the way described here this wouldn't have happened, but I put in two new posts with a cross-piece, just in front of the fence, to use as the new support. Good luck!...See MoreAdvice for rose garden in Hollywood
Comments (18)Hi Jim, from experience, Duchesse de Brabant around here is a lot of plant with little bloom. I grew Silvermoon in my old garden and adore it. It has a strong family meaning, but it is mostly once flowering. In Newhall, it was allowed to grow to an enormous size and it often gave a second flowering, but it wasn't guaranteed. Fortune's Double Yellow is wonderful when in flower, but, again, it is once flowering and can get large in our climate. It grew in the Study Plot at The Huntington Library, where the once flowering OGRs and found roses were grown. It ate an oak tree and was spectacular in late spring to early summer. The rest of the time, it was just green and huge. You may be able to find five gallon plants of Mutabilis and Sombreuil, or what is in commerce as Sombreuil, around here. Mutabilis is sometimes available as a one gallon plant from Otto & Sons out in Fillmore. They are retail and wholesale growers, about forty miles west of the Santa Clarita Valley. The SCV is a few miles north of Hollywood. The others, you're probably going to need to purchase online from one of the marvelous sources listed in other threads. If you'd be interested, I may be able to obtain cuttings of Silvermoon for you. It's a Wichurana rambler and roots quite easily. I had friends who used to use in as root stock. I had many self layered plants in my horse manure mulch which I potted and gave to the HOA where my old garden was. They planted them on chain link fences, with pyracantha, to keep the middle school kids from climbing the shared fences. The plant they rooted from was an import through Greenmantle Nursery, up in Garberville, CA. A very good nursery with a very esoteric selection. Marissa Fishman does the roses. Ram, her husband, specializes in custom propagated rare and heirloom fruit. Very neat people and nursery!...See MoreMaking out my rose order wish list. Advice requested.
Comments (17)I am really not much help on the fragrance side of your questions since I can't smell most roses, but I can reply on the garden merit and "likely to not die" in the cold Midwest. I agree that Queen Elizabeth, New Zealand and Memorial Day are hit or miss for both survivability and health in our zones. Dingo has obviously had success with QE, but I've tried at least 3 times each to grow each of the roses above and they have never survived my zone 5 winters, even in a protected zone 6 spot. You have a zone advantage on me, so they might do OK in a somewhat protected spot for you. Frederick Mistral is a better rose in the long run than these and more frequent bloomer as well. I also agree that Munstead Wood is worth its own independent real estate, and I think Dark Desire is a fabulous garden rose with intriguing colors and terrific frequency of bloom. It gets much bigger than MW so would need to be at the back of the bed, whereas MW can be compact. Ebb Tide is pretty meh for me so I'd replace it with MW in a similar spot if I had to choose. Stephen's Big Purple is a total wimp, and MW or DD far outshines either Fragrant Plum or Heirloom. Among your whites, I'd go with Sugar Moon by reputation for fragrance, frequent bloom, and hardiness. Full Sail and Margaret Merrill have both died twice on me, but not yet in my protected spot, but I don't think they're robust over the winter. You haven't heard many comments about Earth Angel because it's such a new release, but it stays compact for me (no more than 3') and would be great in a pot. Frankly, I class this one as cream rather than pink in my yard, though it can be blush. Among the yellows, I agree that Julia Child is a good rose all around, and if others say it's fragrant I'll believe them. Sunsprite survives fine for me but doesn't bloom very often, and I don't detect a scent (but it might be there). MIchelangelo is only marginally hardy for me and wasn't all that notable as a bloom. I can't think of any other fragrant yellows that I can smell, though I've seen reports of scent from Poet's Wife (a new Austin release). You might also consider Desdemona among the newer Austins for a white - I think Marlorena mentioned scent and she loves this one. If you're willing to consider the Austins, I find that some of my most fragrant roses come from the Austins - notably Sharifa Asma (blush pink, toe-curling scent), William Shakespeare 2000 (hot pink), and Jude the Obscure (light apricot, not as hardy) come to mind. My other toe-curling wonderful scents are from Frances Dubreuil/ Barcelona (burgundy), Maggie/Eugene E Marlitt (hot pink), and Just Joey (apricot, only just hardy for me). Oh, Beverly (pink) is supposed to be fragrant among the Kordes roses, and it is a reliable bloomer all season and very hardy and tall. Among climbers, the most fragrant one I grow is Aloha and it's rock solid hardy with nice HT form in a solid pink. I'd totally choose that one over America. Polka (apricot) is supposed to have some scent as is Nahema (a pink - to die for blooms), and they're worth looking into. Nicely hardy all of these. Have fun Cynthia...See MoreNeed advice! Autumn Damask rose and my new rose beds
Comments (46)Gorgeous pictures everyone and you've gotten great advice from people closer to your zone. Just a heads-up that you want to be a bit careful where you buy your Reine des Violettes, since there are two versions of the rose circulating other that name. I started with "Not Reine des Violettes", which is both thorny and a once-bloomer - so Ingrid gets the satisfaction of being right even in her temporary "error". The color is lovely and it climbs, and it has the peppery foliage smell, but no rebloom ever on mine. I have now ordered the real RdV from Burlington, who I trust to know that she has the real one, and it's thornless and should be a repeat bloomer. I'm sure other people would have the real one, but do ask if repeat bloom matters to you. Cynthia...See MoreAdam Harbeck
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