Why cleft grafting is ok in winter?
MrsLizzy K
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Comments (8)Thanks. The original trunk is quite a bit larger than the graft, however just a few inches above the picture is where it ends--this seedling was quite a good grower and doing very well, then a deer cleaned his horns on it and destroyed everything more than about a foot above the ground. I didn't cut it off, and have left the lower sprouts so far because I would like to give the rootstock some time to bloom and find out if it produces a decent apple or a crab. I also wanted to give it some unhindered growth after losing over 90% of the tree to the deer. So, I figured I'd just let both go for a while. The graft is also growing quite rapidly and is as tall or taller than anything on the rootstock now (and it isn't competing for light), so I haven't been too concerned about the sprouts taking too much energy away from the graft. I guess what I could do is remove the main trunk and most of the sprouts now, then once I get some branches on the graft, work a branch over to a scion from the rootstock, retaining the original to see what it produces, but pushing all the energy into the graft? The area where this tree and other seedlings are planted was a corner in an alfalfa field that is very difficult to work and infested with white top and canada thistle, so for now everything is fenced with snow fence and being grazed in the summer by a couple sheep bucks. Haven't decided what to do with this in the future yet, though, as I would like to keep it available for grazing and the sheep are happy to prune everything beneath 6 feet, which means the trees will have to grow a little tall to reach by hand....See MoreWhy do people cover their shrubs for winter?
Comments (11)Broadleaved evergreens are also sometimes wrapped to limit dessication and leaf burn from cold ==>> let me expand on what gal said ... lets pretend z5 is minus 20 min winter temp.. [i am not looking it up this morn] ... so a z5 plant should handle that no prob ... however.. add a 30 mile an hour wind ... and you have it a lot colder on leaf surface .. due to wind chill.. which technically does not change the base temp ... its still z5 ... so not unlike wind burn on your skin .. you can get wind burn on leaves ... so on my rhodies ... which is just about the only evergreen, non conifer i have ... i used to put up wind screening ... [though on some foo foo tiny VERY YOUNG conifers.. i have been known to use old Styrofoam rose cones ...] and.. its all about root mass .. and the plants ability to go into winter .. turgid.. or full of water.. w/o its roots frozen into an ice cube ... BEFORE THE GROUND FREEZES ... and on that.. its ability to cope with leaf desiccation ... this is probably a BIG ISSUE in ground freeze areas ... as a plants roots are in suspended animation.. and can add nothing to the leaves in winter ... i would presume in non-ground freeze areas.. it would be much less an issue .. though the potential would be there ...... BUT!!! .. i used to do all the snow load worrying.. i say pshaw on that now.. if it breaks.. it was inherently weak in form.. and now.. i tend to just repair the breakage in spring.. and try to prune to a better form which can cope.. of course.. sometimes i lose in that ... but after a few years.. i dont even worry about the wind.. a very established.. proper zone plant.. should be able to cope.. as i say.. they arent my children.. at some point they.. like the children.. have to grow up and cope.. ken ps: you didnt ask about multi leader arbs.. so i am not wasting time on that ... but they should ONLY be wrapped to fend off deer.. but they can be TIED .. etc.. blah.. blah. blah ......See MoreCitrus Grafting.. Calling All Experts!!!
Comments (15)So I removed 2 shoots, and tested the slipping on both and they were fine, I also practiced my t-bud grafts. Please also tell me if the practice grafts I show have a strong chance of taking????.. assuming I was going to wrap afterwards. These were two buds I removed. I saw a grafting video once and the guy said to take the white inner layer out making it the bud somewhat like a shield. The one on the right is with the white wood, the left is after it was removed. IS IT BETTER TO REMOVE THE WHITE PART????? or to leave it alone like the one on the right. Another view. This is with the small shield-like bud, above. Kinda messy but ill be more careful with the actual graft. This is with the bud with nothing removed, above. 1)MAY I USE TEFLON PLUMBERS TAPE O.K to WRAP THE BUD WITH? 2)WHICH BUD IS BETTER TO GRAFT WITH?? 3)AND BASED ON THE SHOOT I PRACTICED WITH( the pictures above,) AM I SAFE TO PROCEED WITH THE GRAFTING?? Thank You KB...See MoreGrafts in critical condition update in + grafting questions..
Comments (31)Thank you Dax. This was about my third year in trying to propagate this J. virginiana. The first year I tried strong rooting hormone on cuttings, that failed. Second year I tried grafting with a knife (not razor sharp, just sharp) and doing the bag method except I did not let them breath, those all failed (quick), Spider mite infestation on the root stalks, and the knife not being razor sharp was likely the main causes for a quick death. Third year (this year) The scions seemed green for a long time in the humidity chamber after grafting, but I think that was just because the humidity preserved the chlorophyll even though the scions where getting little to no water uptake from the root stalk (guessing). The only ones to eventually grow a tiny bit and did not turn brown for the longest time, were the ones I had half in a jar of water (approach grafts), and they actually grew, but after I took the "graft" out of the humidity and removed the jar the tender new growth quickly shrived up and the last couple of scions I had died. I don't know if this guess is true or not, But I've been guessing (and hoping) the the only reason they failed is because I got the scions off the parent tree as the tree was coming out of dormancy in February (pollen cones on the tree where large and swollen, and just about to burst open). A very warm winter did not help either (breaking dormancy even earlier than typical.) So perhaps the scions did not have time to heal before the water started to transpire out of the foliage of the scions and juices flowing in the scions, thus a very poor graft union that was very susceptible to even tiny stresses in the aftercare (in other words: little to no water and nutrient uptake for the scions). Does this sound likely or not, (I don't mind if you disagree with what I said above, I want to learn as much as possible, so you can tell how you think about it). This time I want to get the scions in the dead of winter (in January). Do you think bagging the grafts could be better than the humidity chamber? Bagging them would be more work and I worry about spider mites, but I don't mind to do what ever it takes to get a successful cone of it, I'll do it. I would even spend hundreds or maybe even thousands of dollars to graft/clone it successfully. lol You probably know how it is for me, ones favorite plant/tree of a plant enthusiast is kind of like a very close family pet....See More2010champsbcs
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