I agree with Mulio. There are far far better examples of green when ripe tomatoes than the indeterminate and moderately productive Green Zebra (bland and a bit tart but has a weird metalic afterbite) or the dwarf determinate, moderately productive Lime Green Salad (better but small, juicy, some faint citrusy flavor, but becomes mushy fast). If you're looking for indeterminate, large to extra large Green When Ripe tomatoes, try Green Giant or Cherokee Green. Aunt Ruby's German Green is another good GWR indeterminate. I hear Spear's Tennessee Green is too. If you're looking for a good little dwarf green when ripe tomato, there soon will be several out there from Craig LeHoullier's dwarf project, especially the ones with Green Giant x Dwarf Gold Champion in their lineage.

Bill, where do you get that kind of information? I was looking at Lime Green Salad earlier this year as an "oh what the heck" variety. In the end, I bought Malakhitovaya Shkatulka instead but I do not recall seeing that kind of specification for either one of them, certainly not from the suppliers. **** I'm not speaking for Bill, who will speak for himself, but many of us have grown Lime Green Salad and quite a few of us are SSE members and have access to the backgrounds and reports of those who list varieties in the Yearbook. And we've also seen online reports that others have made. I've been posting online about tomatoes since 1989 and have seen lots of feedback on varieties over the years, for instance. But personal experience is best. Here, for instance, is more info about Mala________ can't spell it without going backwards or looking it up. LOL Bred by Rissian Farm Svetlana in Siberia, offered by the Russian Co Siberskiy Sad, Novosibirsk, Siberia, name means Malachite Casket or Malachite Box, depending on individual translation, and a number of listers for this variety go on to decribe the plant habit, size/shape of fruits they get, and their impressions of taste and where they got their seed from and when. I'll be growing it this year as well and then and only then will I be able to describe it according to my experience with it. THere are varying opinions about Lime Green Salad as well, and I'd much rather grow a larger fruited Green When Ripe and didn't bond that well with LGSalad myself. LOL Suppliers have limited space to describe varieties and some of them know their toamtoes b'c they've grown them and some don't. So commercial blurbs are almost always hard to decipher, especially b'c they make everything sound so wonderful. The only seed Co owner I know of who was as up front as they come about varieties and told both the positives, and the negatives when they existed was Dr. Jeff McCormack when he owned SESE ( Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. Glenn Drowns also makes negative comments about some varieties, based on his experience with them, and he grows all he offers with just a few exceptions when some of his varieties don't make it in a particular year. Since many seed Co owners are or have been SSE members many of them get/got their starts from other SSE members, and those owners who don't grow ALL their own varieties for seed production often use parts of the SSE members blurbs in their catalogs/websites. I know b'c I've traced a few words from some of my SSE listings, as well as some from that book, and find them popping up here and there. Carolyn, and it's clear to me that Bill was giving you info from his own experience with Lime Green Salad, a variety bred by Tom Wagner. I love green when ripes and have grown maybe 15 different ones and to date Cherokee Green is my absolute fave. So I'll see how this one stacvks up against CG.

In 2006, when I first grew Lime Green Salad, I thought OMG! how is this little plant gonna hold up all the tomatoes when these blossoms all set??? But fact is, you only get about 10% blossom set as I've found out after growing about four plants in 2006 and 6 in 2007. The best plants only gave me about 1 tomato for every 10 blossoms even though all plants expressed those huge multi-floral flower sprays. As far as the amber blush ... yeah, I get the same general colors as Lee shows in his pictures. The insides stay that beautiful dark lime green tone though. Some of the tomatoes seem more oblate and some plants seem to give larger sizes than other plants. See that one up above the golf ball? I've tried to select for plants that give more of that size fruit with more seed cells (four or more locules is what I look for). But then I've only been selecting for two summers so far. This will be my third try and right now I only have three plants selected for best seedling vigor from seeds saved from largest fruit producers. BTW, I find the ones let go 'til amber are softer and much sweeter; while I prefer them firmer and zingier and pick them before the amber blush for my tastes. When they go amber, I either give them away or save them for seeds. Bill

I had a hornworm victory this year. While showing some friends around the garden, I spied a hawk moth on the back side of one of my tomato 2x2 supports. That dude was huge, like the size of a chickadee. After my friends left, I raced out there to catch him, but he was gone. Luckily for me, he was back the next morning, and I was able to do the deed. I had no way of knowing whether or not she had laid her eggs, though, but damned if I didn't find them a few days later. Tiny little hornworms, just hatching, and lots of unhatched eggs too, all on the same leaf. Of course they are all in hornworm heaven now. I can only hope these were the only eggs she laid, and that she didn't have any sisters who visited. I will be ready with my scissors just the same. But it taught me to be on the lookout for the huge ugly-a$$ moth early in the season.