Please use new listin. Thank you. Ron S

Rose Group, Please add the following roses posted on 10-31-05 on the IRAR web site, to your October 2005 “AEN” supplement Rose List of 10-29-05. BRIGHT DREAM F, yb ST. CLARE S, ab SLEEPING BEAUTY pb IISE HT, pb ERIN ELISE F, or MARILYN WELLAN HT, mr MARY ANN HT, m MARY’S PRIDE LCl, rb PATTY CAKES Min, dy ELEGANT PINK Min, lp RACHEL Min, dp ZACH F, or Thank You. Ron Schwerdt

woolywoof, your availability of hardy roses probably has more to do with being in Canada than being in zone 4. If I head to nurseries in zone 4 New York, the situation is likely to be even more dire than it is here. Lack of availability of roses that do what I want roses to do is probably part of the reason I became so interested in rooting cuttings. Several wonderful roses are probably better known as pass along plants than in the nursery trade. This unfortunately doesn't make me a very good source of information as to where you should get your roses. I've bought more roses from Mike Lowe than any other source. He's in Nashua. Is Mike still in the nursery business? I don't know. Pickering, as mentioned, is a good source. I know Paul has gotten a bunch of his roses from Spring Valley in Wisconsin. I've heard nothing but good things about Spring Valley. I've often wanted to order from Corn Hill in New Brunswick, but never come up with a big enough order to make it work out. Corn Hill is Robert Osborne's nursery. If you don't have his book "Hardy Roses" you should. You should also have Suzanne Verrier's books. You want to avoid the nurseries that ship little twigs. For the money nurseries charge, you want them to send you a real plant. I'd like to be able to recommend Ashdown, but I've never ordered from him. Oddly enough, most of my recent purchases have come from Sequoia. Certainly Ralph Moore has no reason to specialize in hardy for the northeast roses, but he does have some neat oddments that I can't get anywhere else. He ships little twigs, but at least the price reflects this.

I didn't get the picture uploaded, but if you click on the link below, you can see it and more. Cecilia Here is a link that might be useful: Cecilia Antoinette Price - Watercolors