I would like to trade with you, I do have some crocus, day lilie bulbs, check my list, I do have an over abundance of seeds I want to trade as well.

That's funny CB. Was actually tempted to do that to my "Wretched Mess", talk about a poor performer. Had high hopes for it. But, it's on it's way to being a 'wretched stick' and I won't bother replacing it either. At least I knew the HH was going to be a PIA, didn't expect the Wretched Mess to be one also. I'll take the HH down to the lake and see if it loves it down there. I'll check out the "Mariners Miracle" at Eddie's site. NOW you guys have me VERY curious. Ha! Man that site is going to get me way into trouble. . .

Take heed... Most brugs do not come true from seed. Species plants bred with the same species will come true. Any crossing are a genetic crap shoot. That is why named cultivars are propagated by cuttings. That way each plant is a genetic duplicate of the "parent" plant. They will have the same characteristics. And generally will be self infertile. Take 100 seeds from a known cross and grow them all out. There may be none that are exactly like the named cultivar from that same previous crossing. Then again, there might be. Or it might be similar but have subtle differences. Odds are, most will be a simple white bloom, regardless of the parents. So be careful what you buy. You may not end up with what you thought you would.

Cuttings won't be viable to put outside until next spring, and I'll have a bunch here in a week or two, as will a good friend of mine who had A SINGLE SMALL PLANT this past April from a A SINGLE CUTTING I took LAST FALL... It's now BIGGER than either of my plants (because she gets better sunlight than me and has watered and fertilized like I told her to, rather than like I ACTUALLY do, lol). Hers cost her $10, though, because all my viable cuttings went to the Spartanburg Men's Garden Club in pots, which sold them for $5 and $10 (depending on size) and made an extra $70 this past spring... Had I known for sure the club would accept them, I would have taken better care of my cuttings LAST YEAR... This coming year, I hope to have many more viable cuttings. One of my plants blooms in the peach color, which to me, at least, is highly coveted. The other is yellow. I bought them as rooted cuttings at a flea market, 2/$5 in March of 2003. You CAN plant them outdoors in the ground in 7b or warmer, but where I am, I get VERY LIMITED results... I keep my two main plants in 20-gallon pots, which I cut way back about first frost (not here yet), then bring the pots inside, barely water during winter, then take back outside after last frost. Happy Brugging! Jeff