As Mike says, you can buy GENUINE mature plants, at a hefty price (mostly because of the shipping, tbh). If that's really what you're after, then you might try ebay and check out the plants of greenthumb3000 or other such vendors. What I would be more wary of is judging a Hoya's maturity by the pot size specified. You can get EA Hoyas in a large 8" pot, but they really are a bunch of rooted starts (as pointed out in this thread) not in the same league as the photos you shared with us. (But they'll get there, someday!) Joni @ SRQ just recently changed her pot size, but the plants are equally well established as what she'd previously been selling in 4" pots. I tend to find that the health quality and selection of these plants outweighs getting a greater number of starts. She has been holding monthly $10 sales recently, with different plants featured every time. You can really get some good deals and these plants tend to be on the fuller side versus some of her rarer plants, which she offers as soon as they are well enough established to travel. She used to also sell bigger pots of some plants and they'd go into the $10 sale section, too, but I can't find them on her site atm. You might inquire with her about it, though. Don't be afraid to talk to Hoya vendors directly. They are a good bunch. Because it's a smaller community, it's often easier for them to connect with us. Your final option is to get big cuttings! I know this sounds crazy, but some of the cuttings I've received in the past amount to a pretty darn big plant. The typical size of a Hoya cutting is, of course, 3-4 nodes, but there are some vendors who will ship larger sections, at their discretion. And you can always stick around here, make some good friends, and before you know it, there will be some sweetheart from a southern clime, who thinks you're worthy of a big hunk of a Hoya that grows like gangbusters for them. Everyone here is astonishingly generous once they get to know you. It's all about putting in the time. Also, Hoyas do not have to be huge to flower (in case this is not self evident). Because Hoyas are usually propagated via cuttings, they benefit quite directly from the maturity of their parent. You will be astonished how many cuttings and plants you receive with peduncles already there, in which case you could have blooms on your hands a month later even if it's in a 2" pot, or freshly rooted with your own two hands. Whew! I think I'm about halfway to a book. Sorry about that!

I have never paid much attention to the leaf speckles on my Hoya carnosa but I do know that this happens with Hoya pubicalax. I think it has to do with light as well, more light equals more Anthocyanin production which is visible as red/purple/blue pigments in plant tissue. Mike

David Liddle did have a new eriostemma he claimed to be the real gigas. Of course this is like finding the rare sasquatch or abomidable snowman. Original botanists described this most unique hoya with flowers large like saucers. The one listed in most catalogs is not the true gigas, but at the time I threw the towel in, there have been two collections which did possess a plant they claim to be the real deal. I was just curious if anyone has ever seen or touched this plant. Not that anyone would want this in their home, but it does pose special potentials for breeding with it.

Without seeing a photo, I do have to ask a question ... Are you sure you don't have a curly leaved variety of Hoya?? Some Hoyas like this Compacta are *supposed* to look wrinkly and curled. Since it happened to *every* leaf over the course of 2 years, I doubt the moisture level was always so low it caused a defect in the production of each leaf. Environment changes all the time -- light level, temperature, humidity, moisture level, etc -- and each leaf develops a little differently because of it. If you don't think it's a curly variety, a photo would help diagnose what's going on. =)