Hi again, If you are interested in some of my seeds, please give me your trade list and your email address so that I can contact you. I am not interested in SASE. I donate most of my extra seeds to my "Seeds for Classrooms" program that I arranged with the local school board and schools (6,000 pkg a couple months ago). Other extra "useful" vegetable and herb seeds get donated to disaster relief organizations. Hope to hear from you about your seeds for zone 3 hardy and interesting perennials and shrubs. Happy Gardening

averbisadverbera, I will answer you since you seem to have singled me out If the UN stuck to international law we would all be much better off. The UN has been plagued with corruption just has every quasi-governmental or government agency has. Surely you can see that. Socialism has little to do with it. You wrote "It's not just alarmists that say climate change is connected with human activity its just a widely accepted fact. Its really a little crazy to suggest otherwise." It is not widely accepted fact. If it were, there would not be the heated discussions. You saying it is so does not make it fact. Also Âits should be ÂitÂs on both accounts. Sheesh! You wrote  "YIKES! That's right out a laundry mat crackpot religous periodical." The global warming debate does not revolve around religion unless you count the high priest Al Gore and his minion of global warming worshipers who follow his hypocritical teachings on faith and not facts. I also take offense to you implying that I use a laundry mat. By the way Âreligous should be Âreligious I think you meant to type Âout of a laundry as well. You wrote... "Was Hurricane Katrina a disaster? Imagine what it would have been like if sea levels were 3 or 4 feet higher and it was a category 5 instead of a 4. That's only a matter of time irrespective of whether you think climate change is man made or not (and not that much time, just several decades at most). It can;t be stopped no matter what now." Yes, hurricane Katrina was a disaster. AndÂ. Does that have something to do with global warming? If global warming canÂt be stopped and it is just decades away then you better buy some high ground in the Rockies, build a well stocked bunker with Uzis and buy gold. You are wasting time on these forums with Âidiots like me. Much of the rest of your comments are little more than anecdotal weather stories, what ifs, etc. However, I do have to comment on your statement "If you're 30 to 40 years old you'll see the disaster in your lifetime. If you're older it's your legacy. Congratulations. Put your head in the sand if it makes you feel better and play the skeptic. Call people alamists if you dont want to believe what they say. But the papers cited above are the consensus of the most educated people in this area. They are a little out of the league of the average (or above average) garden-weber." Well, I am 37 so I guess I will see this "disaster". Hopefully, all of the super intelligent people at the UN will be able to save us poor average (or below average I assume as well) people who come to read these GardenWeb posts. Your last comment is pure elitist global warming believer rhetoric "I hope you're judged for your willful, proud blindness. It takes a special kind of person to curse their children this way." I truly do take offense that you say I curse my children. I have a beautiful 22 month old son that I love very much. Good day to you!

Maybe you will move to Grants Pass. We're selling in Applegate Valley to its south, to move to Beaverton, where I'll fare best for my niche in business. But I enjoyed our two years here. I drove to Grants Pass last week to make a short video of the drive and a few sights to add to my Applegate Valley web page, along with the other videos. Grants Pass has shaped-up very nicely since the 80s, and would be my first choice of a city to live in if we were ever to live in southern Oregon again. I got some nice photos or the wildflowers around here this year too, from Brookings to the Rogue River National Forest. The highway to Brookings, through northern California and the redwoods, has one of the better wildflower displays I've seen in the wild - Rhododendron, azalea, iris, trillium, etc., etc..

Thank you for offering to share your knowledge, bobbejaantjie. I bought some seeds from Silverhill without knowing the climates those plants grow under. I planted them about a month ago, and a few have germinated. I live in Honolulu, where the climate is subtropical, with a low temperature of about 58 degrees F. and a high of about 92 degrees F. Another member of the forum already told me that only a couple of my seeds will grow here. I wonder if you could provide information about the climates in South Africa where the following plants are found so that I can improve my chances on growing them: Dombeya cacuminum Geum capense Geissorhiza inflexa Geissorhiza radians Geissorhiza splendidissima Moraea polystachya Moraea ramossisima Romulea amoena Romulea diversiformis Romulea komsbergensis Romulea rosea Also, I wonder if you could inform me about which areas of South Africa are tropical or subtropical so that next time I get seeds I'll limit my selection to plants that grow in these areas. Thank you.