The tulip's center of diversity is not in Turkey, it is in the Himalaya region around Pamir. It's native range extends from there all along the Levant, Asia Minor, the Balkans and Southern Europe. They were made well known to Northern Europeans because of the love the Ottomans had for them. With regards to roses let's settle it once and for all: 1. There are no very dark almost black like species roses growing in Turkey or anywhere else. 2. There are no hybrid roses grown in Turkey which are not known and grown elsewhere in the world. 3. There are no Hybrid Tea roses that can be reproduced from seeds. 4. There are no roses which appear to the human eye as truly black 5. There are well known rose hybrids which are very dark red which can appear almost black at a cursory glance depending on the bloom age and the lighting conditions under which they are viewed. 6. ALL internet pics which depict truly black HT type roses from Haffeti or anywhere else are fake or altered.

Wow, thanks Resolute_Noir. So, it looks like there is something to this picture after all, besides shameless photo-shopping. The next question I'd like to ask, if anyone knows, is how much the environmental conditions, especially soil quality, can change the pigmentation of a rose? I was unaware that a rose could be markedly altered by the soil it grows in, but then again, I've never experimented with this. I wonder what on earth is in the soil of Halfeti, Turkey, to turn a rose from magenta to black? Does anybody know? If so, PLEASE post it here! And herein lies a fascinating prospect for rose growers: if the natural conditions in this part of Turkey can do the job, can't we figure out what's causing the change and make soil amendments to our own soils to the same effect? Perish the thought, could we even create a blue rose this way? Nah, with so much interest in blueness, I'm sure somebody would have figured this out already if it were possible. But then again, maybe we just aren't thinking about the right soil amendments to do the job. What a fascinating possibility! This post was edited by thisbud4u on Wed, Dec 25, 13 at 0:40

I would love to have a Black Magic, Ink Spots, or Black Jade rose bush. I am also looking for a Blue Moon rose bush. If anyone out there has any of these please contact me at dragonflygirl99@yahoo.com Thanks Beth

I am from India as well read some of the comments above, I have brought some roses from china which said black and white roses and rainbow roses, I know they are completely fake but the best thing is that even if a single rose grows from those seeds it will be a great success for me. Yes they are rose seeds as I can distinguish from their shape and size. They do need some cold period in fridge I have kept them in moist soil for 3 weeks nothing happened so I am now keeping them in fridge red white, orange whatever color they end up in I will be happy to accept.