designed and built range hood mantle - need a critical eye
beenie130
13 years ago
Hi, I recently put in a concealed hood and built a mantle around it. I added brackets/corbels underneath to give it a more "custom" look. They extend below the bottom of the cabinets and not sure if it looks not quite right, or if it looks good as is. Would love opinions from anyone who cares to share their insight. Thanks so much.
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Comments (57)OK, youall have succeeded in drawing me into another argument. Let's start with the purpose of the overhead vent. The vent is intended to capture and contain effluent contained in the rising and expanding cooking plumes. It has an overlap capture requirement that depends on height, and a flow rate containment requirement that derives from plume velocities and secondary factors. It is not for capture or blockage of grease splatter, as that could require enormous air velocities to achieve. Down-draft "venting" and pop-up side-draft "venting" cannot achieve the needed capture and containment provided by an overhead hood of proper specification for these reasons: Air flow velocity drops rapidly as a function of the smallest dimension of a slot air intake (see the 2003 ASHRAE HANDBOOK, HVAC Applications, Fig. 6). The air velocity in all cases is too low to significantly change hot cooking plume momenta except those plume portions close to the pop-up, so the overhead hood depends on the natural rise of the plumes. Deviation of the upward momentum to the side, or by 180 degrees to head downward, can only work if the plume has low momentum, as in steam from boiling water. Hot oil/grease/moisture plumes from wok cooking and searing will be poorly deviated sideways or in reverse. Fume hoods can have horizontal hood configurations, but the top and sides are blocked from allowing fumes to leak out. The turbulence issue is complicated. Up-rising plumes can be disturbed by side drafts, poor insertion of make-up air into the kitchen, and cook motion. Side-drafts will be pulling air across pan and pot clutter, so some added turbulence is possible, but I don't think it will be a significant addition except close to the pop-up due to the velocity fall-off introduced above. On the other hand, a pop-up can block splatter trajectories from the burner up the the angle between pan and the top of the pop-up and as far as the pop-up sides shadow the area beyond. For this function, no air flow is needed and much of the pop-up system hardware can be dispensed with. If a blank face is used (no vent holes/slots), cleaning may be greatly simplified. Underfloor ducting, blower, external cap can all be deleted. Some cabinet space for the elevation mechanism has to be sacrificed. While a pop-up splatter blocker is a good idea if the degree of blockage is deemed sufficient for the expense, the subject raises the question of why children are sitting in range of hot grease splatter. At a minimum they would need eye protection. There are requirements (that I don't have at hand) for desirable rises and/or runs of seating countertops connected to cooking surfaces. I recommend proper desks in quiet areas for studying. The student should be fully absorbed into the material to be studied without distraction (or at least as little distraction as a post pubertal youth can manage)....See MoreNeed Range Hood Advice -- Sticker shock!!
Comments (17)Those prices seem outrageously out of line to me! In early 2010, TOTAL cost for ours, including the actual working vent was less than $2500. Here is a picture of my kitchen where you can see the hood. My custom cabinet maker charged me $800 to make the custom range hood cover out of clear coated mahogany. (I JUST looked up his invoice to make absolutely sure that I was remembering the price correctly.) He designed and built the cover so it would fit over this stainless steel vent hood that we purchased from Sears for about $1500 on sale. The purchased vent rests on a couple of very small ledges inside the custom cover and fits so that bottom edge of the stainless steel hood sits about about 1 inch higher than the lower edge of the curved section on the front face of my vent cover. That way the purchased vent is completely hidden by the vent cover but the controls are easily accessible. In the shot below, (taken from underneath) you can see how the purchased vent fits inside the custom cover and you can see one of the "ledges" at the side of the vent. BTW, I just looked and Sears currently has the exact same stainless steel hood we used on sale for $1626. Here is a link to it: http://www.sears.com/vent-a-hood-euroline-series-model-wall-mount/p-SPM7417651910?prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13 Or for even less money, Sears also NOW sells a 27" Broan range vent that is designed specifically to be installed in a custom enclosure for less than $600. See the link below. When we were building, I couldn't find ANY vent hoods that were designed to be installed inside a custom cabinet. (They may have been available but I could not find them for sale to consumers anywhere and I'm usually pretty good at finding things.) Thus we paid extra for the fancy Modern Euro "finish" on ours and then paid to have a custom cabinet cover made to give it the old-fashioned look we like! So, even if cabinet builders are now charging twice what we paid 3 years ago to have our vent cover made, it still looks to me like you should still be able to get the look you want for under $2500. You might need to pay a bit more if a very high powered vent fan is important to you...but the cover alone SHOULD NOT run you anywhere close to $4000. Sounds to me like maybe your cabinet maker probably ONLY knows how to make cabinets (boxes) and drawers and then probably purchases pre-made doors to go on those. He's probably doesn't know HOW to make a vent cover and the mere idea of making one scares him. Thus, he quoted you that utterly ridiculous price in order to scare you off from ordering a vent cover while still hanging on to the rest of your cabinet business. If it were me, I'd talk to another cabinet builder or two. And if by any chance, you're in my neck of the woods (central Texas), I'd be delighted to give you my custom cabinet builder's name. He was absolutely terrific! Here is a link that might be useful: vent designed for installation in a custom mantle style hood....See MoreLayout advice/critic needed...
Comments (6)Hi, Rexroat. What a terrific house! One thing that strikes me about your plan for your forever house so far, though, is that the area you plan to live in could no doubt fit into your old condo. I already hear the emptiness echoing from the front. Truly, it looks as if you wouldn't be using most of that other space for the foreseeable future, aside from an occasional social gathering, and in that shadowy future only after substantial changes from what is planned now. I'd suggest you look at that entire floor as a living home--repurpose it for family life you want to create there and fit the kitchen into that whole picture. Starting with, for instance, the perennially dusted, seldom used "formal" dining room. How about making that a family dining room instead, used daily as the children come along? Strengthen the kitchen connection, but keep it nice enough for dinner parties. Build in storage that can someday be study centers for your children, hold a TV if you love to be able to keep an eye on it now and then. Choose a table handsome enough for fine china but tough enough for children to bang their spoons on and do craft projects. Some comfortable upholstered chairs you and friends could settle into for a whole evening if desired. That dead-end living room! First thing I'd do is cut a door directly across from the kitchen and create a circular traffic flow so your kids can run and ride and play right through there, as well as everywhere else. Guests will circulate, and especially you too. If you did nothing else, the room would be enormously more livable for that little change. For now, it might just be used for nice, but eventually you'd love having that space--IF you loved the space. Probably more would need to be done. Not just decorating, but probably mainly in terms of landscaping, as in changing the feeling of the front rooms as they relate to the street. There are real behavioral reasons why so many front rooms sit gathering dust, but the underlying causes, once understood, are usually easily fixable. (Except for my friend Judy's case, whose family and 3 fish tanks lived in bedroom #4 for decades because she won't allow her living room to be messed up.) And when the day comes that your children head for the street, they and their friends would know the front of your bright spacious house is alive and you're often there, not always hidden far in the back where you can't watch over them. Not the suggestions you asked for, but sincere ones. :)...See MoreHelp designing range wall - mostly vent hood
Comments (10)I stay out of these things most times but if I were talking to a client of mine (or my wife) First- I'd suggest not to do a mantle hood as narrow you have pictured. But if you must go that way then ditto to what green said. I typically advise to keep a keen on the total budget and do NOT look at the cost of any individual item until it comes time to trim the budget. Everything anyone "wants" is expensive when viewed without context. The question becomes can it fit in your budget, is it important enough. Next- avoid poor imitations- if you can't get the specific thing to look right then let it go-completely. A lousy imitation looks like one (ala the LWO thread) Instead if your trying to generate more interest do it another way, or somewhere else. Most folks are happier with less done well than more done poorly. You only need one or two things that make your heart sing every time you go in the room years down the road. Often those are small things, smaller than what people focus on during the process....See More
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13 years agoHi again, thanks so much for the advice. I am thinking a holiday wreath or something on the mantle would be festive. Here are updated pics without the corbels. It feels better to me. Thanks so much for helping me visualize the space - you all are the design eyes I needed...
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