instant hots - ISE vs. Quck & Hot

17 years ago

The only difference I can see between Insinkerator and other brands of instant hot is that the ISE goes to 200 and the others only go to 190. Is this really a noticable difference for making tea? Any other brand differences I should be aware of?

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mimsic

17 years ago

Yes! 190 is NOT hot enough for tea. I have had the insinkerator for about 6 months now and I am amazed at how much I use it. Of course I make coffee with it every morning and tea all day. It is great for giving dinner guests a range of teas and coffees, but I have found so many uses for it while I cook. One of my fav's is putting a few ripe tomatoes in a glass bowl in the sink, filling bowl with instant hot, popping a glass plate over the bowl and letting it stand while I chop or slice other ingredients. In a few minutes, when I'm ready to add tomatos to whatever I am cooking, the skins slip right off and I'm ready to go. Its so convenient, I can't believe it myself... cold salad dressing from the fridge, run it under the instant hot for a few seconds and its liquid and ready to use...jar of preserves with a too tight lid...boulion cube I wasn't expecting to need, in a measuring cup with instant hot, no need to put up the kettle to boil...carmelizing onions and left a minute too long, a TBS of instant hot in the pan, no problem, onions release and keep on cooking. And of course its great to add a little stream to a pan for easy clean-up after cooking.

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alku05
17 years ago
I've never used a Quick and hot, but I can tell you that I have an ISE and love it. It makes decent tea by the cup (which is what we do 90% of the time), and better if you use a pot and warm it with a splash of hot water first. The ISE tank is SS lined; is the Q&H?
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You don't need 3 separate faucets. I have two: the main faucet I use for washing (which isn't filtered) and then a small hot/cold faucet that's hooked to the filter and the instant hot. I left the filtered cold dispenser out of my original description because it's integrated with the instant hot system. The filter faucet I have is this one, I think. The only thing I don't like about it is that the hot lever is spring-loaded as a "safety" feature, so you have to hold it down to keep the water flowing. (I put "safety" in sneer quotes because I think it's less safe to force me to keep my hand near the hot water.) I actually have a ice/water dispenser on the fridge too. It dispenses chilled water, but it comes out quite a bit more slowly than the non-chilled water from the hold/cold dispenser by the sink. I tend to use the one on the fridge for a quick glass of ice water and the one by the sink for filling pitchers and other big stuff. I didn't try hooking the main faucet up to a filter because I think it would take a big filter to maintain the water pressure and flow rate you'd want from a faucet used for washing dishes, rinsing vegetables, etc. If I have time I'll try to post some photos of what my set-up looks like from above and below the sink. I may have to do a bit of cleaning first, though. :-) Depending on how carried away you want to get, a whole-house filter is an option. My next-door neighbor the plumber re-piped his house and put a big whole-house filter and softer system in his garage. It's two sealed units about 1 foot in diameter and 4 feet high each. He says they have to be changed every 5-10 years depending on how bad the city water is. I can ask him for the brand and model number if you'd like. It looked like a big job to install, though, not a DIY project. (Even for me, and I'm not afraid of sweating copper pipes.) And I'm sure we're talking at least a couple thousand dollars for the equipment and labor. Laura
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perel
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17 years ago
Q&H is stainless as well. It's the same unit as EverHot and several others.

If the 200-degree hot water works a lot better for tea, then ISE it is. But it looks like only ISE faucets work with ISE instant hot tanks? I'd like the Little Gourmet MT650 faucet if it will work..

Here is a link that might be useful: Little Gourmet MT650
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claybabe
17 years ago
The faucets have to stay with their own tanks: Three vs two hoses, I believe someone said on this forum.

I like the styling of the Little Gourmet (I put one in the old house and one in the new house) so I went with that. Both are good units.
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perel
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17 years ago
My other concern is how to hook up for the cold lever to be chilled water instead of ambient.. the ISE instructions don't make it clear how to do this. Also, ISE says its max temp is 210, while Q&H says its max temp is 190. I *think* I see how to do it, but will need to call ISE tech support to be sure.
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alku05
17 years ago
Perel, you would need to buy a separate chiller if you want the cold water to be chilled.

The ISE View, 1100, and 2215 country are all very similar in appearance to the MT650. Worth looking at if you haven't already.

Here is a link that might be useful: ISE faucets
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mooring_girl
17 years ago
Perel,

Do not connect a chilled water line to the ambient water line. You could end up with a mess!

I tried this arrangement. The inlet water hose burst. Twice. I called the faucet manufacturer (Waterstone). It turns out that chillers can create high pressure in the hose. The hot water side is vented to relieve any pressure that builds up in the tank. (You'll notice that the insta-hot faucets drip.)

If you want chilled water, you will need a faucet similar to the insta-hot faucet. FWIW, I installed two faucets at the bar sink. One faucet has a single handle -- HOT. The second faucet has two handles -- ambient and COLD. No burst hoses.
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perel
Original Author
17 years ago
mooring_girl - Thanks for the warning!

I know that I will need a separate chiller; I was planning on the ProSelect unless there's a strong reason to spend the extra for an EverCold.

alku05 - Thanks, I think the 1100 series ISE will give the same look.

From the installation instructions, it looks like the ISE 1100 has two separate water supply lines - one is the ambient supply for the hot side, the other is the supply for the cold lever. The install instructions have you putting a Y-connector to hook both those lines to ambient in; I'll see what ISE tech support has to say about hooking them up separately.

Or maybe I should just use two separate holes.. I was trying to minimize holes in the deck. So far I have:

- Faucet (at least one hole, possibly more)
- Sprayer (if I end up with a pull-up type.. hopefully not but we'll see)
- airgap
- Potfiller for filtered ambient water (planning to use a pitcher/glass filler.. the undersink water filter I'm putting in can deliver approx. 2.5GPM, so it's worth having a full faucet for the filtered water.)
- instant hot
- now, possibly a separate instant cold

(btw, I just now noticed my typo in the title of the original post!)
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biner
17 years ago
I've ordered the Q&H simply because I prefer the look of the Tahoe Series chrome faucet to any other faucets I've seen. I don't want it competing with my main faucet. Wanted something simple and low profile. Hopefully it was a good choice. Will let you know. Should be coming in mail any day now.
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danielj
17 years ago
Perel, I have had a Mountain Plumbing "Little Gourmet" Instant Hot and Cold water dispenser with both the water heater and chiller installed for almost 3 years. The faucet has 3 connections under the sink installed per the manufactures instruction as follows:
Connection 1, from water filter split to facet, hot water tank inlet, and chiller tank inlet.
Connection 2, from hot water tank outlet
Connection 3, from chiller tank outlet

I have not had any leaks, but the water chiller stopped working about a year ago, though it is still connected below the sink. The hot water tank is still working, but I had turned the temperature down to about 160 due to the constant faucet drips. Even turning it down, the faucet still drips, but not as much as when set to the higher temps.

I enjoy both the hot water and the chilled water (when it was working) and would definitely recommend getting both in one faucet if possible.
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danielj
17 years ago
In the post above, connection info should be as follows:

Connection 1, from water filter split to faucet and chiller
Connection 2, from faucet to water heater
Connection 3, from water heater to faucet
Connection 4, from chiller to faucet
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biner
17 years ago
well, q and h came today - faucet looks great but it's not stainless rather i think just chrome covered plastic, not sure what to do now!
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sjay
17 years ago
Mooring girl,
I'm not sure regarding your post about not connecting the chilled water line to the ambient water line....
I purchased a rohl filter faucet (a1635) and am planning to hook up both a water filter and chiller to it.

Are you saying I am at risk of having a leak?

I was told by ROHL that this faucet would work with a chiller.
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