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Design Around This #6: I'm Dreaming of a White Kitchen, But...

marcolo
12 years ago

...Not a true one.

Welcome back for yet another episode of "Design Around This." Today's challenge:
Design a "white kitchen" that is not the One True Kitchen.That is, some or all of the cabinets are white, but you cannot use all the other features of the OTK. Tell us about the house and your clients.

Over time, there have been lots of white kitchens that were not the OTK, from the 1940s:


1950s:


1980s:


and today:

Obviously I didn't even touch on 99.99% of the possibilities in those examples.

Some rules:

Banned materials you cannot use at all:

- No marble

- No soapstone

- No laminate that looks like either of the above

- No subway tiles

What you must do:

- Pick a house that was built before the late 19th century, or after the mid-1920s, right up to a modern new build. In other words, no Edwardian houses, bungalows or other houses in which the OTK could be original

- Make your kitchen flow with the house, although it does not at all need to be period recreation

- Use color(s) on at least one significant, permanent surface--backsplash, ceiling, floor, some cabinets, whatever. No relying on "pops" of color from TJ Knick-naxx.

And as always:

- Do your homework. Really take some time to shake off old habits, get out of the rut and look beyond the OTK box.

- Use a realistic budget. Go high or low, but keep it real.

- Make your design work for today's family

- Show your work. Explain and rationalize your choices.

- Critique others and accept criticism yourself. You spend a lot of time on your design, and you deserve some constructive feedback, good and bad. Don't make criticisms personal, and don't take criticisms personally. This isn't a finished kitchens thread so nobody has to pretend to like something they don't.

Go!

Comments (82)

  • live_wire_oak
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    And thanks to all of the other kind comments about my work. I hope these threads are educational to those who need the help, and fun for those who need a bit of entertainment.! :)

    Cawaps, I agree that the traditional kitchen is a bit too too for my own personal taste, as that runs more to my modern kitchen, but I was careful to try to keep the intricate details as tone on tone as I could in order to tone the sensory overload down a bit. Plus, I do so many, um, "inexpensive" kitchens IRL that it was nice to take off the brakes for these two fantasy kitchens and not worry about costs at all.

    Here's the exercise I was working on last night that is almost a direct opposite to the traditional expensive white kitchen above. It involves only off the shelf or website box store merchandise. It's not quite as creative because of limited product availability, but it's still not a OTK budgeted down. It shows that you can still do something creative even if your budget is $7K and not $150K.
    _______________________________________________________

    Billy and Pam have been looking for a second home within easy driving distance of their primary home and settle on the Mississippi Gulf Coast as it's only 6 hours away. A vacation home here will be a trial run to see if they want to shift their residence here full time when they retire in a few years. They finally find what they are looking for in an older Craftsman bungalow in Biloxi. It's close to the Air Force base and had been used as a military rental so it's not in great cosmetic shape. But it didn't flood during Katrina even though it lost it's roof. The best part about it is it comes with the lot next door and backs up to an unimproved area close to a warehouse. It may be scrub palmetto and pine that Pam sees, but it feels like a nature preserve. And the second lot could be the space for the workshop that Billy would want if they moved there fulltime.

    The main home was 30'x30' and the kitchen was in a 10' addition across the back that also contained the laundry room and a master closet. When they went to remove the old vinyl in the kitchen, they discovered some foundation issues with the addition and had to spend a lot more of their budget on strutural items than they anticipated. Therefore the 15K kitchen budget, which was already meager, was cut in half. The previous renters had let an unauthorized pet damage the old wood flooring, so they have to get new flooring for the whole house. They decide on VCT, because of it's durability, range of color, and inexpensivness. A mix of 7 different colors, all blue, white and grey, plus a fresh apple green will set the colors for the whole home and the 1200 square feet of flooring costs them only $1000 from Lowes with the tools and glue to lay it.


    While Pam is painting the place, Billy goes to Lowes to pick up the special order colors of the flooring and appliance shops. There's a sale on, plus a rebate, so he gets a whole GE suite in stainless for $2600, but if the rebate ever comes back, it'll be only $2300.

    He wanders over to the in stock cabinets and uses their graph paper to figure out their layout. A couple of pantries to flank either side of the sink run, a 30" sink cabinet and a 30" base cabinet and two wall cabinets come to $1200. He also looks at the in stock laminate but none of the colors go with what they are planning. He also orders the special order white granite sink and Delta Pilar touch control faucet.


    Pam vows to never let Billy go to the store by himself again as he's now already spent $5300 of their 7K budget. Pam gets on the net to star looking for help with the kitchens biggest problem: a lack of storage. The two pantries help with that tremendously, but the way the layout of the sink and fridge wall is, with a doorway to the rest of the house right in the middle, and the vent off centered in the 60" range space, there wasn't really room for stock cabinets there. She finds one solution in a pegboard and hook system For $97. She'll box in the one exposed side of the refrigerator and mount the pegboard onto that ala Julia Child's kitchen. For the tiny space that's between the range and outer wall, she finds a $60 laundry storage cabinet that can hold her oils and spices. There's no real room for an eat in kitchen and they plan on making the dining area into an office area for business purposes until they fully retire, so Pam finds a $150 counter height table and stool set on Target's website that can occupy the remaining space between the range and the door. It will be counter space when cooking and can be pulled out to perch at for a quick meal.

    She also finds her knobs and pulls on the Lowe's website for another $100 total.

    After she installs the laundry organizer, she feels the need for some slim wall storage in that spot. It can't be as deep as a regular shelf because it would hang over the range's space. Amazon comes through for her in the form of a bookshelf potrack for $100 and free shipping. She also buys a couple of sample tiles from a vendor for the backsplash, but they arrive broken. She gets the brainstorm of making her own backsplash and counters out of a broken tile mosaic, so she goes around to the various box stores and tile stores in town for tiles in blues and grays. With the plywood and epoxy grout, it's still less than $100 for the counter and backsplash.

    They have 1K left to spend, and Pam is really happy until Billy vetoes her choice for a ceiling fan light fixture combo because they are so near to salt water. He says they need something of better quality. No ceiling fan is pretty to her, but it is needed there to help to circulate the air from the window AC. She manages to find one that will be OK design wise for here and sturdy enough in construction for Billy, but it's $500. What the hell, right! By the time she figures in the cost of the apple green Valspar paint and two coats of stain blocking primer she's used on the kitchen, she's got $350 left. So she goes to Hancock Fabric and finds the perfect beachy stripe for her window treatments. The window over the sink gets the valance and cafe curtain, while the window in the middle of the galley wall gets just the valance because of the window AC hanging from it.

    They still have $250 left, but what they saved here, they get to spend in the rest of the house and Pam knows exactly where she's going to spend this. One oyster dinner treat for themselves for a job well done, and one stop at the booth of a local craftsman at the flea market, and Pam now has a beautiful cedar swing for their tiny front porch and her budget is done with.

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sorry I have to post and run. I never look at anyone's until i post mine.
    Funny, I had an orange mixer on my moodboard and i took it out because it was slightly off, and it shows up here again! Also funny both Marcolo and i used cows. My thought process there was that if you are stuck with white --- black and green always look nice with white and pretty soon you see a cow standing in the grass...

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  • cawaps
    12 years ago
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    Thanks, Ideagirl, glad you like it. It's hard not to love the persimmon tile. I fell in love with it when Marcolo posted it on the "Are kitchens headed in this direction?" thread, where the idea for the Design Around this Threads was born.

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  • sochi
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    cawaps. I had chosen a Natalie Black backsplash as well, in orange and greens, for my 2nd kitchen but changed it out so as not to repeat. Her tiles really are their stunning best in the persimmon though. Makes me wonder if I could get away with a little red in my kitchen.

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  • steph2000
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    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, it was fun to see my dilemma inspire a mood board! And, to answer the question as to whether any of these tempt... I did find a lot of the entries to be kinda themey, and not in colors leaning to my personal taste. There are some individual elements that I like, but interestingly, I wasn't sure in many cases that white cabinets were the best choice with them.

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  • sochi
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Really Pal? Most of the threads have had a range - from off the shelf, to modest $20-24K kitchens, with a few flights of fancy in the $50+K range. I agree it is easier to pull together a $100K kitchen off the internet than a $10K kitchen, but I think there should be a mix. I know that most can't afford a $75K kitchen, but they could use it as inspiration and appropriate aspects into a $20K kitchen.

    Most people who frequent GW, Houzz, home porn mags, etc., must love the sensational expensive kitchens they see. They know they can't reproduce it faithfully, but it gets their creative juices imagining how to reproduce on a cheaper budget. I would also say that most GW kitchens splurge on at least one item - the over the top professional range, the mod light fixture, marble countertop.

    I don't want to set even more rules, but I think if someone posts a $100K kitchen, they should also design a more modest kitchen as well. Or - this might be fun - essentially the same kitchen, one worth $100K the other worth $20K.

  • sochi
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Steph2000 - I've tried to use a variety of colours in my mood boards. My personal preference is blue, but I've used red, orange, green and browns. I don't like peach either - that wasn't the greatest backsplash pick for that kitchen. Too peachy (I needed orange) and too zen for this kitchen. I just didn't come across something perfect I guess.

    I'll try something more organic/brown/chunky in some future board.

  • roarah
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I love your pagan kitchen too cawap! I have been slow to post due to the demands of the season but am enjoying these posts a bunch! I like the idea of an off the rack kitchen. Maybe using only HD or lowes products. Those who are just reading, give it a try and post a mood board for us! I have no idea what I am doing but no one has been mean or too critical and it is addictive. Even if my designs do not live up too the pros I am proud to have tried and I feel this exercise has helped me grow in regards to my design knowledge.

  • chris11895
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    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • palimpsest
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I am not saying more rules are necessary but without some parameters, we could go on designing versions of our same favorite kitchens again and again. I agree their has been a mix of unique and more typical, but I tend to favor the results --high end, or low-- end that are comprised of things that anybody could get their hands on (given the budget)

    Off the shelf doesn't necessarily mean off the shelf at Home Depot, it could mean off the shelf at Clive Christian and Lacanche. But on the other hand, starting out with a statement piece that is unique, really expensive and hard to duplicate can make the kitchen design process secondary because the attention is held by the statement piece.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I like parameters. I think I went with the Elements theme because White was just too open--I found myself floundering on this one more than some of the others, for some reason.

    My kitchens in the Formica thread were pretty much off the shelf (and the blue/green mobile home one was low budget, mostly Ikea). My 1920s kitchens had some vintage items, but they weren't items I designed around that the whole look would fall apart without. In reality, you'd substitute something else for the uore unique items.

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    I've seen a few posts where from the backstory, the remodel was probably quite expensive, but the money got sucked up with new foundations or remediating flood damage, limiting the budget available for the pretty stuff. That's a pretty realistic situation (been there).

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    last modified: 9 years ago

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    The leather handles are mine! I used them in my dressing room for the drawers. They are leather, reinforced with steel, and they have rivets. Come in different colors and metals. They are pricey. i ordered them direct from SDS London and I wired them Sterling, which was less then getting them here.

    The top right hand corner is fabric I wanted to use on a drum shade.

    Here is a link that might be useful: leather handles

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    12 years ago
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    The last few times ive done this I made a point of commenting on everyone who made a moodboard, and I will again. It is just a busy time of year and with so many i actually have to take to notes as i scroll!

    Im not sure it but it might be easier if each moodboard was its own post ....?

  • sochi
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I understand what you mean now Palimpsest, fair enough.

    I think some parameters are good as well, but sandyponder, don't hold yourself back! If you break a few rules you might just make Marcolo cranky, which could be entertaining.

    cawaps - argh, foundation repair. Talk about an un-fun way to spend money. When we were finally able to rip out the (7 different levels of) floor in my kitchen to reveal the foundation below, the contractor called the structural engineer (never a good sign). They then invited DH and me down to check it out. They were trying not to laugh while breaking the news to us - that there actually wasn't a foundation under that section of the house any more. The mid-section of the house was sitting on bedrock. Apparently they don't see that often. Hence the chuckles.

  • sochi
    12 years ago
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    Mtn, on the cows. Would someone on a farm really want to be reminded of the cows in their kitchen? Or perhaps the real cows are gone at this point I guess? Love the backstory, but I guess I'm not that into cows, lol.

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Pal,

    I am not sure I agree. First of all, most of the design sources people look at it are unattainable in some way to most of the people looking at them. AD was always that way. First, start with a penthouse and terrace overlooking CPW ...

    But people still BUY that stuff and apparently enjoy it and or find it useful.

    I think the mood boards are high end but not whacky. No one has put in a Cornue or two of everything, yet, I don't think. Using one of a kind pieces is okay, too .... with ebay and 1st dibs etc etc you don't even have to get off your fanny to find statement pieces.

    The REALLY pita constraint we have is this medium. We have to use things we can find images of! Good images. That often means pricey. For example, one of my fave tiles is $5 sq ft but you cannot find any really nice well lit photos of it like you will with the Ann Sacks stuff. Plus I don't even know how to photoshop, so if I think of something really unusual, like a leather covered range hood (ok so maybe thats not code...), and I can't find an image, it doesnt help my moodboard.

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    12 years ago
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    Sochi,

    Well, they dont live on a farm at all. This is a summer family retreat, and it was a dairy farm years ago, hence a bit of nostalgic connection. I was trying to mix white with an animal print and I liked cowhide b/w, plus I thought it would be fairly easy to stencil.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
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    Mtnrdredux, I'm with you on what a pain it is not to have Photoshop. I wanted the niche with the turquoise and persimmon, but all I had to work with to color it was Microsoft Paint. PITA, and it took forever.

  • palimpsest
    12 years ago
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    I don't have photoshop either, I just do what I can with photobucket.

    So, what is everyone thinking for the next round?

  • juliekcmo
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Maybe a mail order kitchen? All major elements would need to be home deliverable? For the folks who aren't in the major metro areas?

    Or we could have some sample home pictures from real estate listings and imagine the new kitchens for them?

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
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    I didn't have any client in mind for this one. I just wanted to do one that was very white "except." In this case the "except" is a structural colums that can't be removed, so they clad it in Corian Mint Ice backlit with LEDs.

    Floors and walls are clad in Slimlite megatile (20"x118" panels) in Oyster. Eurocabinets from Aran Cucine (photo courtesy of www.europeancabinets.com). Liebherr fridge, Electrolux induction cooktop, and GE ovens. Casprini table and chairs. Lighting from Progress Lighting and Tech Lighting found on lightingdirect.com. Rangehood is Murano Snow by Futuro. Faucet is by Kohler.

    The whole thing makes me think of the set design discussion from the white kitchens thread. What kind of frigid person would want to live in such a space? So this was as abstact exercise.

  • sochi
    12 years ago
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    Juliekcmo, very cool idea about finding a real estate ad and designing a good kitchen for the house. Very fun, fueling my passion for real estate and kitchen design! I just saw a mcm house for sale today not far from me, with an underwhelming white kitchen, but a cool house generally. I'd do that in a flash.

    Cawaps, agreed, that kitchen is too cold for human habitation. Nice pieces though and an interesting exercise.

  • mamadadapaige
    12 years ago
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    I have nothing to contribute but just wanted to say how enjoyable I find these threads. I think you are all so clever and creative. What you are able to pull together for your mood boards is just amazing and I just love the background stories... are they totally fictional? or maybe just a little bit autobiographical? So funny!

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    12 years ago
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    I second the idea of doing a kitchen for a specific house.

    I also think each moodboard should have its own thread. These get too cumbersome to discuss. Gotta run but it is STILL on my to do list to give comments

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Mauadadapaige, I had never put together a mood board before the Colonian Revived thread (Design Around This #2). It takes a bit of time, but if you can do a Google image search and can master the basic tips on posting photos, you can do this.

    The background stories are cracking me up too. I don't know about anyone else, but mine are pretty much fictional, although there are little snippets of the lives of me or my friends and family in them. My sister's first home was a mobile home, my brother has a mid-century American Kitchens sink, I have an O'Keefe and Merrit range in the garage with a damaged thermocouple. I had to replace the foundation on my house which sucked up all the remodeling budget. I live in Oakland and referred to some specific local salvage places in one post. That sort of thing. It adds realism, but hopefully doesn't reveal too much about me or my family.

  • sochi
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I had never done a mood board before the 3rd thread (1920s kitchen). I've learned quite a bit about Olioboard and Flickr since the first kitchen I posted. That alone makes these exercises worthwhile. Not only am I learning a little about design (mostly from others) but I'm also learning how to more efficiently create moodboards, navigate the web, identify where to find what I'm looking for relatively quickly, use Flickr, etc. Plus it's fun and quite addictive. I encourage everyone to try it out.

    Is there any legal risk if we pull a house from a real estate listing? Since these are all in the public domaine I should think not, but this isn't my area of legal expertise. I think some posters have done this in the past?

  • annachosaknj6b
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    MDP: Mine was inspired by a few things: 1) a white kitchen someone here did with pink and brown accents (can't remember the username, sorry!); 2) our current house had a '50s Roper when we bought it...I loved it but we already had our Lacanche; 3) I did have to custom-glaze some white tiles to replace the ones in our shower for a plumbing repair, using exactly the method I described.

    I thought about throwing a few glam elements into Vicky's kitchen, but decided to keep it overall very retro and plain. Self-critique: A pale brown grout might look nicer and update the pink tiles. I should have picked one of Ikea's slab cabinets to evoke the metal cabinets from the 50s, which would work better than the Lindingo. They might be too glossy, though. Also left out pulls and faucets and other appliances. What can I say, it was late and I'd spent too much time looking for a fabric that worked. That one wasn't perfect, but it was the best I could come up with.

    cawaps: I know that song! :-) I love the way you thought about every element and pulled them together. Especially love the water tile...beautiful.

    leia: Your whimsical Hawaiian kitchen and recovering crack addict made me smile. I thought the cart was a bit too industrial to go with everything else, but that was my only criticism.

    roarah: You had me at the jade, since that's my favorite color. Lovely job; my favorite was the old painted dresser as island.

    sochi: You used a similar green in the second moodboard; I liked it and the cherry blossom backsplash but thought the greens might clash. Otherwise, that potting sink on that floor...WOW.

    palimpsest: Gorgeous palette, cheerful and calm at the same time. Very interesting to use the pale green instead of white. I loved the way the light fixture picked up the birdcage shape in the fabric and thought that was very clever.

    marcolo: I thought the cow kitchen was very charming. Corrugated tin ceiling would be a bit much for me, but otherwise I really liked it! Fresh, thoughtful and definitely unique.

    LWO: Your Greek revival was my favorite in this thread. Incredibly rich and textured and, as you said, not a bit boring.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    On the subject of pulling a home from a real estate listing, I had thought about doing something like that, possibly as a separate thread ("Pimp my Kitchen!"). I don't know about the issue of using photos from listings--we could just link to them, but they could disappear a the drop of a hat. I'd be happy to volunteer my house and provide photos (my perennially "before" kitchen needs pimping), but it is a 1910 Edwardian, so Marcolo might be opposed on grounds of principle.

    Regarding what Sochi said on the spillover effects from participating on this thread: I find that I am more likely to respond to other threads with pictures, since it doesn't seem like such a chore anymore, now that I have lots of practice. I've also learned not to overinvest in a particular choice. At the idea stage you can easily adopt, evaluate, replace, look for something else. If I was really doing a kitchen, the next step would be samples and making sure things really look like what you want (colors, textures). You can't do that in the online photo stage, so there is no point in getting angsty about it. With a real kitchen it is so easy to obsess over each and every decision (TKO), when sometimes pretty good is good enough.

  • live_wire_oak
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I only wish that more of the people who need design help were trying to participate. It IS a learning exercise. Or, it was conceived of that way. It's great that so many talented amateurs and pros are giving examples of "how to", but there's nothing like getting your feet wet to go swimming. I think we should give a shoutout in the next thread to encourage first time posters, and make the next challenge a more easy, fun project like a patterned tile or fabric. Get more folks on board, and maybe they'd like to continue on in graduate school with the harder challenges. Didn't Cawaps make a list of all of the suggestions so far? How about posting it again?

    I am vehemently against creating separate threads for each and every person who wants to participate. There are already enough threads on this board to try to keep track of. Centralizing everything in a single post may be a bit wonky because of the forum software, but it keeps everything and everyone together.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here's my list again, compiled from my suggestions and those of others. This was originally posted as a straw man, so feel free to add, delete, or reorder. I've added some of the new suggestions at the end.

    I'm also opposed to separate threads. As inconvenient as a single thread can be, at least it is an active thread that stays on page 1 or 2. If each design was a separate thread, the older ones would eventually fall off the radar. Also, keeping them as a single thread makes it easy to search for them (which I seem to be doing a lot).

    Here's the list:

    1) Keeping the golden oak
    2) Tract house (specify decade? or any tract house?)
    3) Interesting tile (pick specific tile or line of tile)
    4) Pink Kitchen
    5) Knotty pine
    6) Queen Anne
    7) Metal cabinetry
    8) Vetrazzo
    9) French Country
    10) Interesting tile (pick specific tile or line of tile)
    11) Starting from clothing fashions as your inspiration pic, design a kitchen that suits the era/mood/style
    12) 1930s kitchen
    13) Wacky linoleum (Marmoleum croco or the graphic series)
    14) Rustic Modern Cottage
    15) Back-painted glass
    16) 1970s home
    17) $10K budget
    18) Animal prints! (we can put the Marmoleum Croco here)
    19) Ikea kitchen (all Ikea?)
    20) Mid-life crisis bachelor pad
    21) Pimp this kitchen (choose home/kitchen from real estate listing)
    22) Home Depot kitchen
    23) Mail order kitchen
    I don't know if other people are pulling ideas the suggestions people have made, but I saw a pink kitchen on this thread, and an animal print.

  • sochi
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    cawaps - I know that the list is already very long, but please add the modern kitchen reno of a Victorian period home. A few people seemed to like that one.

    Also - steampunk?

    I think we'd be okay with a real estate listing as long as we make it clear where we are getting the pictures from. Just extra advertising isn't it? I'd volunteer to find something that lines up with one of the suggestions - i.e. pick an interesting (or not) home and make people use animal prints, or a pink kitchen, knotty pine, steam punk, etc. The real estate ads are ideal as there are usually multiple pictures and you can really get a feeling for the house.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I thought I posted this before, but it looks like it didn't go through.

    I'm not sure I like the idea of combining a specific house/kitchen with other restrictions. Sandyponder complained above about "too many rules", and while I don't 100% agree (I haven't found the recent threads overly restrictive), I like having enough flexibility that the responses show a lot of variety.

    Here's a revised list, with Sochi's additions and a few suggestions I had missed from the Tuscan thread:

    1) Keeping the golden oak
    2) Tract house (specify decade? or any tract house?)
    3) Interesting tile (pick specific tile or line of tile)
    4) Pink Kitchen
    5) Knotty pine
    6) Queen Anne
    7) Metal cabinetry
    8) Vetrazzo
    9) French Country
    10) Interesting tile (pick specific tile or line of tile)
    11) Starting from clothing fashions as your inspiration pic, design a kitchen that suits the era/mood/style
    12) 1930s kitchen
    13) Wacky linoleum (Marmoleum croco or the graphic series)
    14) Rustic Modern Cottage
    15) Back-painted glass
    16) 1970s home
    17) $10K budget
    18) Animal prints! (we can put the Marmoleum Croco here)
    19) Ikea kitchen (all Ikea?)
    20) Mid-life crisis bachelor pad
    21) Pimp this kitchen (choose home/kitchen from real estate listing)
    22) Home Depot kitchen
    23) Mail order kitchen
    24) Modern kitchen in a Victorian home
    25) Steampunk
    26) Colorful kitchen (although I think we've been getting a lot of these on other threads)
    27) Eclectic

  • palimpsest
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I would be up for just about any of them, but I am thinking that Queen Anne and Victorian may be too similar to be separate categories, and agree that colorful is already happening. I would like to specify for the Victorian kitchen that the current kitchen doesn't have anything of particular beauty or rarity preexisting. The Victorian kitchens I have seen were either (rarely) almost intact with new appliances inserted or there was nothing left of the original fabric except the walls, floor and ceiling.

    So, if you want to use encaustics or lincrusta or quartersawn wood, you have to find it.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here's a different way of thinking about it. I binned them into groups (and added a few more house styles). Since I lumped the "color" kitchens in with the "theme" kitchens, I figure we've had two from the same bin in a row (Tuscan and white). So I think we should change it up to style/era of the home, buget or supply restrictions, or a material (but not cabinet material because I think that gets too close to what we did for white kitchens).

    Materials
    Keeping the golden oak
    Knotty pine
    Metal cabinetry
    Interesting tile (we can do this one over and over)
    Vetrazzo
    Marmoleum graphic series
    Back-painted glass

    Defining the Home
    Tract house (specify decade? or any tract house?)
    Queen Anne
    Spanish Colonial Revival
    Craftsman
    Tudor Revival
    Prarie School
    1930s
    1940s
    1950s
    1960s
    1970s
    Pimp this kitchen (choose home/kitchen from real estate listing)
    Beach House
    Mash-up house (what do you do with a house that is already a mash-up of styles, like a Mission-style Queen Anne)

    Theme Kitchens
    Pink Kitchen
    French Country
    Animal prints! (we can put the Marmoleum Croco here)
    Steampunk
    Eclectic
    Starting from clothing fashions as your inspiration pic, design a kitchen that suits the era/mood/style
    Rustic Modern Cottage

    Budget/Supply restrictions
    $10K budget
    Ikea kitchen (all Ikea?)
    Mail order kitchen
    Home Depot kitchen

    Define the People
    Mid-life crisis bachelor (or cougar) pad

  • mabeldingeldine_gw
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I'm lurking and loving these design threads. I'm artistically/design impaired, but am learning a ton, and love so many of the kitchens -- even the ones I would never want in my home have lots to love about them.

    I've seen so many cool things to love, and I hope someday use, in my fixer-upper on a budget home. Thanks to all!

  • palimpsest
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    In the absence of any objections, I would be happy to set up a Victorian/Queen Anne design thread with a limited number of "givens." Let me know if this is good.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
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    That sounds good.

    I was thinking that the next post should star off with a call out to the lurkers, maybe with some of the quotes from this thread of folks who had never done this before we took it on in one of these threads. I think the lurkers have this wacky idea that everybody who posts on this thread is some uber-creative design professional, which isn't true at all (although we have some of those).

    Quotes:
    LWO: I only wish that more of the people who need design help were trying to participate. It IS a learning exercise. Or, it was conceived of that way. It's great that so many talented amateurs and pros are giving examples of "how to", but there's nothing like getting your feet wet to go swimming.

    Testimonials:
    Sochi:I had never done a mood board before the 3rd thread (1920s kitchen). I've learned quite a bit about Olioboard and Flickr since the first kitchen I posted. That alone makes these exercises worthwhile. Not only am I learning a little about design (mostly from others) but I'm also learning how to more efficiently create moodboards, navigate the web, identify where to find what I'm looking for relatively quickly, use Flickr, etc. Plus it's fun and quite addictive. I encourage everyone to try it out.

    cawaps:I had never put together a mood board before the Colonial Revived thread (Design Around This #2). It takes a bit of time, but if you can do a Google image search and can master the basic tips on posting photos, you can do this...I find that I am more likely to respond to other threads with pictures, since it doesn't seem like such a chore anymore, now that I have lots of practice. I've also learned not to overinvest in a particular choice. At the idea stage you can easily adopt, evaluate, replace, look for something else.

  • palimpsest
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Okay I will do it then.

  • lakeaffect
    12 years ago
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    Well, cawaps, you can think my statement was complaining, I think I was stating an opinion. When 4 design elements are "banned", the age of home that can be used is mandated, color proportions are dictated and the phrase "show your work" is used, well, IMO that's pretty rule bound. You seem to like setting and following rules, so have at it, but not me, I'm more of a free association person and all the rules make this too much like work.

    I will enjoy reviewing the results, these truly are entertaining threads, I'm just pointing out that not everyone likes such tight dictates.

    sandyponder

  • marcolo
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have been away for a couple of days, but I just wanted to put in my vote that I think after the exercise pal is working on, our next project should be designing around a minimal traditional house from the '40s through the '70s. The kind of house that people on the forum complain about because it doesn't give enough direction or inspiration, because it's not midcentury modern or anything distinctive, just vaguely traditional, vaguely modern and with minimal detail.

  • cawaps
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sandyponder, I sorry if I offended with my choice of words. My Random House dictionary defines complain as "express dissatisfaction," which was the sense in which I meant it. I was actually trying to argue for fewer rules when I made the statement.

  • blfenton
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Those houses from the 40's-70's often, as marcolo pointed out, even "vaguely" have some detail that can be built onto decoration wise.
    The one I would like to see as an exercise is one of those neo-????? whatevers that were built during the housing boom of the 80's through the 90's. The ones that are >4000 sq.ft. in subdivisions where they are all the same and completely devoid of any character. It would be interesting to see how you really smart and talented people (hear the hint of jealousy) could do a kitchen and perhaps redo the front of one of those behemoths to give it some personality that would tie into the look of the kitchen.

    I am a lurker and do enjoy reading these but am waaaay too intimidated to make any comments.

  • singingmicki
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I read these threads off and on with enjoyment, too. However, until we finally move into our house, I don't have time to contribute. Hopefully it will still be going when our year long saga finishes.