Overreaction? AKA should I have to lay my own tiles for 100K job
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Help Bill Vincent et al. Should I Remove Tile and Start Over?
Comments (9)Hello Karen, Sorry it took me so long to find this thread. Bill left a trail of breadcrumbs though and that's helped me along. :) So, from what I see in the photos it's a textbook Bay Area "single-coat mortar installation". He's got a moisture barrier of Aqua-Bar asphalt-impregnated Kraft paper and he's used 1" galvanized chicken-wire for lathe. His float looks to be a nominal 5/8" thick at the exposed edges and he's been pretty dang clean judging from the surrounding walls, so I don't think he's a hack. Now for the not-so-nice news. I can also tell from the photos that he's got quite a bit of lippage on those walls. It may be that those large porcelain tiles are not "rectified" (re-milled at the factory for flatness and squareness)and so he's made the best out of warped materials? Ann Sacks, and many other boutique showrooms, sell beautiful tile but it isn't always a guarantee that it's also flat or square. The best test will be to lay a straightedge across the tile (front and back each)from corner to corner and from side to side. Can you see daylight between the straightedge and the tile? Does the straightedge teeter and rock? If either of these is the case, then your installer did his job. If the tiles are flat however, he's ruined some very fine material. Without a better picture of the return-walls, I can't tell you why he chose the cuts he did. It may be that he allowed the niche's dimensions to dictate his layout, rather than the other way-round? All-in-all, it's not a terrible job and grouting may shine it right up or it may make things worse? A good grout job is like **magic** though so I think in this case I'd share your concerns with the installer and emphasize how much you HOPE he can make things better with a spectacular grout job. He should take the hint and screw his wizards cap on tight for the task. Best of luck, Shaughnn...See MoreReconsidering doing my own tile ?
Comments (2)I was in the same situation in my old house several years ago. We'd prepped everything and purchased the tile for the tub surround and floor. Then I got too worried about some difficult areas and, like you, wasn't sure I could do a good enough job. We hired a guy to come in and tile and grout. It cost us $600 for that -labor only for the tub surround and small floor. Since then, I've done two subway tile backsplashes and I just finished tiling my bathroom walls in a running bond pattern. I can tell you that the hardest part, by far, is the layout. You need to be totally sure, before you start, of how each edge is going to look, how each wall relates to the adjoining wall, what happens at the corner of the tub, etc. I found that it was helpful to make a jury stick or story stick, with the EXACT tile spacing marked on it (lay them out on the floor with the spacers you plan to use) and spend a good long time marking up the wall an making sure all those corners, top/bottom, and transitions are resolved...before you start tiling. I also found that a good laser level is invaluable in keeping your courses straight....See MoreHelp me decide if I'm overreacting on contractor!
Comments (16)Thanks, Bill, for more detail about the sprays. I feel much better hearing it straight from you that it's not that big of a concern. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and will try your tips to address the situation. Lukkiirish, I find your comments a bit stinging, but I came here asking the question so I better be prepared for the response. I actually got more upset as I read the early responses in thinking this was unusual. I was quite upset when I wrote my second post. I do take responsibility for a lot of this - even for just not supervising the contractor better. I know this is not his house, and have enough experience with contractors (we did a full exterior remodel last year) to know that they can't read your mind and you have to be extremely specific and pay attention. That was difficult for me to do with the kids around yesterday. Since then, I have calmed down considerably. I actually did call poison control and they assured me that there aren't likely to be any lingering health effects, and knowing that I calmed down. I then called my contractor and told him I just wanted to keep him informed about how we felt, and that we weren't sure what we wanted him to do yet. I explained how I wasn't happy about everything being sticky (and still don't love that they got the sealer all over my new and expensive Kohler faucet). I also talked about the blotchiness. He was apologetic and responsive and offered to do whatever we wanted to ensure we were happy with his work. At this point, I've got about half the residue cleaned up, so I can't imagine what there is, other than to have him back to even out the sealer. In the end, I've learned a ton and also gone from thinking this guy was a total idiot to being pretty darn impressed with his customer service. We had a great conversation, and while I would have preferred the work be 100% the first time, I am still pleasantly surprised that he's so willing to stand behind it. Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to respond and sharing your feelings so honestly. It really did help me work through my feelings on this (sorry - with my stay-at-home life I don't have many other options to talk through this stuff, and feeling alone and not quite sure how to react didn't help matters. I think I knew I was overreacting and needed validation). In the end, I feel confident we will get a good resolution. Godspeed....See MoreI am the mom aka the reforee. please help
Comments (10)As much as I think its time for your son to become more self sufficient, the attitude of your husband is hurtful and helps nothing. If your son, at 19, has no job and is not in college - yes, there are problems on the horizon here. The baby bird needs to at least receive the suggestion that there is a great big world out there and he needs to start making plans for jumping out of the nest and into that world. I am not one that encourages throwing kids out when they are 18 - because everyone matures at a different rate and often when a child leaves the home before they are REALLY prepared ... they yoyo back, but hey - my 17 year old daughter has a job and a bank account approaching 5 figures saved up all on her own!!! I know she will not be ready to leave the home at 18 - but I will require that she works while attending school and slowly add more responsibility to her for her own good. It is very hard to do what is right for them. I could easily pay her way through life until I breathe my last breath because she is such a wonderful person and I love her so deeply - but is that what is good for her? It hurts to see her going to work day after day and coming home tired and saving her little paycheck. It also hurts to make her spend that $$ on things that we have determined we will not pay for (non essentials). She has to learn to make choices on what to spend that money on and sometimes she backs off - knowing how hard it was to save it. You know - we raise our kids to have "Roots and Wings". Everything we are doing as they grow is to help them be self sufficient adults. What are you doing to help him along that route? Your husband may be very right that your son needs to accept some responsibiity for himself - but his methods are all wrong. Probably because he has become so frustrated that its now turned to anger and disgust. Maybe you can start taking baby steps in helping your son become a man....See Morebeaglesdoitbetter1
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