Hope this works. Trying to add pics.. new to this! here is the link- http://s1069.photobucket.com/albums/u477/amhers104/?action=view�t=e1306657.jpg&mediafilter=noflash

These are the pics of cabinets with the 2 inch filler.

This is the 2nd pic. Do you think the filler looks silly there or is it just me???

Looks to me like you have 77" of wall space and the KD wanted to use up all of it. Also looks like you have a finished side panel on the right side, but not the left? I don't think it looks AWFUL. You probably wouldn't notice it after a bit. Otherwise you'd need 3 15" cabs with a 1" spacer between them (if they make a 1"), or put the 30" & 15" together (centered) and fill out both end panels to the end of the wall.

Lastly, you could leave 2" of wall space between the cab on the left and the window (or door?) casing, and fill it in with window treatment (draperies, etc).

But 1st we need to look at Breezygirl's point: What's going on underneath on the base cabinets?

It doesn't look great to me. Do you have email for your KD? Most people check email constantly so you could ask them to call you immediately!

Looks unacceptable.
And it looks as if they may already have a filler on the right end but not on the left end? Are the right and left ends of the cabs as installed the same?

This is what you run into with standard sizes of cabinets. I hope they can remove the one door cabinet and make a new one to fit the space. If you never saw the final plan and the designer never told you there would be a filler, I think you should insist on a new cabinet. Politely, but firmly. This is a glaring example of poor planning.

Print off this discussion and give it to her/him. And tell him/her we asking for designer's hame and the company he works for.

Sandra

Post the original design elevation of that area, and measure the space. The only reason that I can see that a filler is being used there is to use up all of that space. It's very difficult to have a 1" strip of wall space on either side of the cabinetry---not for the installer, but for the homeowner. Painting a 1" strip is a PIA, so perhaps the designer's standard practice is to cover the whole space. However, Schrock will do custom sized cabinets that could have left a more usable space to either side. It's only a 30% upcharge, I think to do that. So, if symmetry was important to you, as well as not leaving a tiny little bit of wall space, the designer could have spec'd 3 12 1/2" cabinets (or 1 25" cabinet and 1 12 1/2" one) for the space and had breathing room on both sides. Or a 24" and a 12" if you didn't want to pay for customization. Crowding the window molding is not a look I'm fond of.

But, we need to see the whole plan as to what was designed, and what's below to be able to judge what can happen here.

I agree with you that it does not look right. I think it would look better if the filler would be removed and then shift the single cabinet over next to the double one and leave 2 inches of wall space to the right of the single cabinet and doorway. If the KD used filler to line up the uppers with the lowers, I would rather look at the cabinets not being not lined up than look at that filler.
Hope you can get the situation resolved to your satisfaction.

Could you post a photo taken farther away? Take a look at Schrock kitchen gallery pictures, especially asburymcfs. It looks somewhat similar to your photo. You can pull their picture off to your computer, in so doing convert it to a .jpg file which allows zoom.

If you KD commonly sells Schrock, perhaps this design is not atypical for this cabinetry. I don't know. I just would suggest including the cabinet maker in my analysis.

Good luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link

I'd have to see what's underneath, and how it's lined up, but I can tell you that would drive me INSANE.

It looks dumb, like there's a filler.
Now's the time -- simply based upon what you've shown -- for the installer to take it out and perhaps center those 3 cabinets over what's below.

Gotta see how the bottoms are laid out!!

What happened at 8:00?

I'm clearly in the minority, but I don't think I would have noticed it - at least not in that small area. Maybe if it stands out as different from the rest of the kitchen I would have. I also agree I wonder if it has something to do with the symmetry to the cabs on the bottom. Do you have your diagram?

Since I know I have a filler or two in my plans I just went back and looked. I have a 3" filler on the ends of the bottom cabs where I have an inside corner. I assume that is for clearance/to be able to open the drawers and avoid handles and such. I have only one on the top and again it is at an inside corner which I would assume is for clearance.

I'm sure you could change something - get a larger door on the right side, even if they don't change the cab. It would just overlay the frame a little. But then you would lose the symmetry of the cab doors all being the same size. Or remove the filler and center the cabs as CEFreeman suggested. Or remove the filler and have some wall showing on the one end. Lots of relatively easy-fix options I hope.

Yuck. Filler, IMO should be in areas where it's as inconspicuous as possible. And, when going with full overlay cabinetry, filler is even more obvious. Sometimes in areas, fill is necessary for cabinetry to open, but it doesn't look like that's an issue here.

Not being able to see what is going on with the cabinetry below, I would say this is just yucky. But, perhaps it is to line up with the base cabinets. It's hard to say.

Had you signed off on the KD design with the 2" fill?

And yes, while it's a bit of a PITA to paint a small strip of wall (1-3"), it's certainly not impossible at all. And for all the more you normally wind up painting, it is well worth it.

Although you don't want to, until you get this all sorted you can call the granite fabricator and let them know that you need to reschedule. No sense in going forward if you are unhappy. Take an extra day or two to get it right rather than allow it to be your Achilles heel for the rest of the life of the kitchen.

you need to take a pic that also shows the lower cabs and a bit of each side of the cabs for everyone to really be able to know what is going on with them. Once you post that it'll clear up a lot of questions.

If there had to be a filler, I think it would have been better to evenly space the amount out on each end of the cabs.

I have read on GW that the rule of thumb for symmetry is that the uppers should always be symmetrical because your eye goes there, but it's not as important for the bottoms, so does it matter what's going on on the lower cabs?

No matter what your "designer" tells you, fillers don't belong in the middle of a wall cabinet run. It's going to look worse once your crown molding goes on. Take the filler out and close the gap. Stock and semi-custom cabinets are limited and this filler should definitely have been discussed with you. Did you see elevations or 3d drawings that show this prior to ordering? If so, you might feel that this your fault for not noticing, but it really isn't. It's just inexperience and lack of attention and creativity on the "designers" part. I'm a CKD with 30 years of experience. I get upset sometimes at the disrespect paid to our industry on this site but then I see something like this and understand. You probably spent thousands with this person and now you are expected to look at their inattention to detail everyday for years.

Gosh - we broke all the rules so we didn't have any fillers - all of my cabinets are different sizes based on function but line up with the lower cabs.
I don't like it either but again maybe if not pointed out, might not be so obvious (OK, my nose is growing)
Bummer!

I don't have any aversion to filler and would never pay for custom for the sake of a couple of inches but what you have there just seems weird and could have been dealt with in a lot less conspicuous way.

So what did installer say today? The more I look at it the less I like it.

THANK YOU EVERYONE!! Happy to report that the filler is out and the gap is closed!!! I told my installer this morning that I hated it no matter what my "KD's" reasoning was for putting it in the plans and that it will drive me insane. He said, "discussion over, it is coming out". Thank god, it looks so much better!!! He thinks that KD's reasoning was so that it would be more balanced with the lowers. I do know one thing, even though I signed off on the plans, KD NEVER mentioned the filler. He talked bout how the 30" an 15" would look good next to each other- more balanced. Well the filler threw that concept right out the window! I am going to call him tomorrow to see why he put them in the plan and to let him know I had to have my installer waste time putting it up, taking it down and then putting it back up!
Truthfully if it wasn't for this site that i have been reading posts on and looking at other peoples kitchens, I probably would not have even noticed it until someone else drew it to my attention so thank you to all that post such great info and advice!!! The pic I posted also explains some of the posts about the right end- it is not a 1' filler. It is a usable door to access that cabinet from the eat in area of the kitchen.
This wall use to have only one 36" cabinet, but it collapsed from the wall in June. I posted pics of that a few weeks ago. The peninsula near the cabinet that collapsed had a very odd 6 inch useless overhang. So we decided to extend the wall 8 inches to allow us to put cabinets underneath on the eat in side of the peninsula. That also gave us additional wall space to add another upper cabinet. However, it is kind of a reach to get to things on the far side of the end wall cabinet so it was my idea to add the usable door on the end. I hope it looks OK.. I do see what others were saying about it looking like a filler at the end but I am hoping once the cabinet hardware is put on the doors, it won't look like that. Hope I didn't make a mistake aesthetically by adding the door, but the cabinet will definitely be more usable with access from the front and side of that cabinet. We were able to add three 21" cabinets and a 12" corner cabinet under the peninsula. This is storage space I desperately needed!!! I will post pics of that also. Granite person comes to template tomorrow. He thinks it will be ready to install on Thursday. So excited to be upgrading from formica to granite!!! All new stainless steel appliances, including a counter depth fridge, are being delivered on Thursday also. Bye Bye outdated bisque appliances! Plumber is coming on Friday to hook everything up--- so I should have my new kitchen for Labor Day weekend! :) Hardwood floors are being refinished in mid September.
Not including the new appliances, the kitchen renovation is only costing me about $600.00. Insurance covered everything else- including putting us up in a hotel for 3 nights when the hardwoods are redone. So so very happy that the 13 year old cabinet collapsed off the wall!!!

Here is a pic of the 15 inch cabinet with the end panel door open.

oopps! forgot to attach.

Last pic for now- pic of the new cabinets installed under the peninsula. before was just a big old ugly flat panel. i'll be able to fill these cabinets up in no time!

Much, much better. Glad you got that sorted out!

Woo hoo! I looked at the pictures before I read the text and I was thinking, "hey it looks fine in these long shot pictures" then I read that your installer had fixed the issue and realized the pics were the after fix shots. It looks great. How nice that your installer listened to you. I bet you are so relieved.

So much better! I didn't want to chime in but I couldn't understand why they did that! I have similiar cabs with no filler so I was lost. Glad they fixed it without hassle.

Last pic for now- pic of the new cabinets installed under the peninsula. before was just a big old ugly flat panel. i'll be able to fill these cabinets up in no time!

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It looks great. Good for you and glad your installer was so nice about it.

The cab that opens on the end - you might think about whether you want a handle on that before they put one on. You said you hope it won't look like a filler after the hardware is on, but I'm not at all sure I'd want hardware on it. I might prefer it just look like an end panel. Handles on the bottom ones will be hidden by the overhang so that little guy will be all by himself up there. Just something to think about.

And I guess I'm glad the cabinet collapsed on you! New kitchen on the insurance company. Sweet!

What a great looking kitchen! I can't wait to see it finished. I'm glad the fill issue got sorted out. What a great cabinet maker you had.

Oh. My. God.
I can't believe there was ever a question!!!!!!!!!
Did I mention !!!!!!!!

The layout is such that the filler was sooooo ridiculous!
I think the end door is brilliant, too. Function and form, you've got!!

I don't think I ever said that I really like your kitchen doors, too.

Good job! :)
Oh - sounds like the installer agreed with you but didn't want to say anything.

bravo! it looks so much better now. I think the door on the end is a great idea. what will you keep in there for side access?

hmmm - yes, a handle on it. maybe you could tape one up there to see if you like it?

That looks so much better! And now seeing the wider view of the room, the filler would have looked even worse in that view. I don't see where an issue where the filler helped line up anything up with the base cabs. The room is looking smashing!

Thanks everyone. And beeps you make a good point about a a knob on that side access door. Oh dear, another decision to make :) What do others think about putting a knob on that door? I am just going with small Satin Nickel round knobs for the upper cabinets and the cabinets under the peninsula. Leaning toward the 3 inch coordinating Satin Nickel drawer cup pulls. I have a few days to decide on that. I just posted a question about what to do for a 1 inch space between countertop and bottom of window frame- I know it sounds crazy but that is how they built the house:( Need to focus on that right now because they are coming to template the granite in the morning. Yikes!!

Thanks everyone. And beeps you make a good point about a a knob on that side access door. Oh dear, another decision to make :) What do others think about putting a knob on that door? I am just going with small Satin Nickel round knobs for the upper cabinets and the cabinets under the peninsula. Leaning toward the 3 inch coordinating Satin Nickel drawer cup pulls. I have a few days to decide on that. I just posted a question about what to do for a 1 inch space between countertop and bottom of window frame- I know it sounds crazy but that is how they built the house:( Need to focus on that right now because they are coming to template the granite in the morning. Yikes!!

Leave it off for now. You can always add it later one, right?

Glad the filler thing worked out, strange.

Say, would you be willing to post your cabinets size starting from the left of the fridge and going around? What is on the 'left' of the kitchen? A wall or table or is it open to another room?

Thank you

Duh! Should have just attached the link for what I meant. I am sorry about that!

Here is a link that might be useful: Schulter edge

Oh that looks a million times better without the filler! So glad you had a very attentive installer who didn't hesitate to make it right. I love that you added that extra door on the side for easier access. It's little things like that that will make your kitchen so much more functional. I agree with the other people that it "might" look funny to have a knob there. I'd tape it up first and see what you think before doing anything permanent.

Deedles-I am so new to this stuff but I'll try to give you the cabinet dimensions. It is a slaller sized U kitchen- so starting on the left is a 12" wall cabinet and 12" base drawers, then 30 inch stove and 30 inch cabinet above, 15 inch upper cabinet, 21 inch easy reach corner cabinet, and then another 15 inch cabinet.Underneath is a 36 inch easy reach base cabinet. Then the 36 inch base cabinet for the sink with window above. To the right of the window is a 30 inch and 15 inch uppers. The 15 inch cabinet has a side access door instead of an end panel. On the lowers is a 36 inch super lazy susan, (part of peninsula), dishwasher, and 18 base drawers. To gain more storage, we also added three 21 inch lower cabinets and a 12 inch corner cabinet on the table side of the peninsula. We had to extend the wall 8 inches to make room for this. We have the table on the eat-in side of the peninsula. That area has an 8 1/2 foot opening into a large 28 x 40 family room. It use to be just over a 9 ft opening but this is where we extended the back kitchen wall.
In hte kitchen are between the cooling area and the refrigerator wall is a door that leads into our study/computer room. Hope this helps :)

desertsteph- I'm not 100% sure what i will use the end cabinet with the side access door for yet. Thinking maybe things like napkins, paper plates... on one shelf (three teenage boys that are constantly eating) and some snack foods that they are always grabbing- pop tarts, Cheez-its, cookies... on another shelf.
Really won't know till I start putting things in them. Any suggestions??
With this new kitchen, I am gaining much needed storage under the peninsula- three 21 inch cabinets, and a 12 inch corner cabinet u as well as this 15 inch upper cabinet. I'm sure I will fill them in no time! :)

A knob won't be too bad I don't think. I was thinking it might be something bigger. But, I'd still do as others suggested and tape it up to see what you think. It would be an easy add later. But, 3 teenage boys getting in the cab a lot for snacks? I might lean toward putting a knob on so they can grab it and aren't touching the cab with their (dirty?) hands all the time to grab snacks. Function may have to be the deciding factor. :)

desertsteph- I'm not 100% sure what i will use the end cabinet with the side access door for yet. Thinking maybe things like napkins, paper plates... on one shelf (three teenage boys that are constantly eating) and some snack foods that they are always grabbing- pop tarts, Cheez-its, cookies... on another shelf.
Really won't know till I start putting things in them. Any suggestions??
With this new kitchen, I am gaining much needed storage under the peninsula- three 21 inch cabinets, and a 12 inch corner cabinet u as well as this 15 inch upper cabinet. I'm sure I will fill them in no time! :)

fillers are used with knockdown and ready to assemble cabinets to avoid the doors hitting..or the handles if used. on;y way to avoid this is to go with custom cabinets. everyone on here is clueless.

Wow, Swathmore, you replied to a six year old thread to insult the forum.