What is the depth of your granite from the backsplash?

My depth is 25 1/4" and my overhang is 1".

I would think it should be the same. Call the fabricator and ask him what it was supposed to be!

Thanks for the feedback.

Granite on one side of the fridge measures 25 2/16 from backsplash to edge of counter edge. Granite on the other side of the fridge (same wall) measures 24 14/16. The counter next to the stove measures 24 3/4 and measures the same on the other side of the stove, but the overhang is different on the 2 sides(so maybe it is a cabinet problem??). I'm going to try to talk with my GC about it again, but he starts a new project tomorrow and he has been a lot less available. My fabricator is out of town.

Is there anything I can ask them to do to fix it? I've already paid for the granite install, and I only have one small payment (

marbles, I have zero experience - still planning my own remodel - but that does NOT look right at all. I am sure that having varying depths is unacceptable. Now, in the spots where it is/might be the cabinets, you will need to address that with the cab people. But your GC is not done until it's done well and to your satisfaction, no matter how many other jobs he has lined up. Whatever you do, DON'T pay him until that issue is FIXED.

I am not thrilled with how that looks either. I could imagine an island being a different depth than perimeter, but not base cabs in different perimeter spots being so different from each other.
That shallow pic you showed last looks awkward. Once the hardware is on, it will appear to stick out oddly. You will also find lots of spills down the front. If there were a reason to have one part short, such as a cab needing to open or clearance of some sort, then that should have been discussed with you in advance.
This does not look right to me.

All of the cabinet trim should have been in place before the countertops were templated. That's your GC's fault for scheduling the templating before thecabinets were done, or not telling the templator that trim was going there etc...

One other possibility, since I ran into this on my own countertop, is that the slabs of material are relatively small so the fabricator tried to fit more into one slab than he should have. For example, the slabs I got come in 51" widths only. Typically, you cut that in half and you get 2 25.5" pieces. 24" cabinet + 1.5" overhang or so. Now, since my cabinets were installed (by me) a little bit out from the wall to accomodate some unevenness in the wall, the slab was no longer good for 2 runs since one of them would have been too shallow. Cost me an extra slab. Perhaps your fabricator or GC didn't want to go for the extra slab and tried to squeeze them in to one. Just a thought.

Marbles,

Did you ever have a conversation with your fabricator about the overhang? Sometimes, depending on the cabinet type, the amount of overhang may change. I discussed the overhang at the same time with my fabricator as I talked to him about the type of edge. Did you have that discussion? Do you remember what you discussed?

No matter what you talked about, this doesn't look right to me. First of all, you don't have enough overhang IMHO and it should NOT be inconsistent.

@adverguy2 - So the templating should've been done AFTER the trim was installed? The trim is just being added now, about a week after the granite was installed. We used 3 cm granite, which is not common here. I bought 2 slabs, so there was plenty of space for the layout (my kitchen is on the smaller side).

I'm just sick about this. My granite was the focal point of my kitchen and it looks ridiculous. My GC wants to try a smaller piece of trim to hide the variance, saying it is "difficult to get all the surfaces to line up evenly with such tight tolerances and reveal lines." The trim piece they used is about 15/16" and I think it is hiding a thin piece of wood that was added to the top of some of my bottom cabinets to even out the height. My backsplash is already done.

I thought we discussed a 1.25" reveal, but my GC told me that we agreed on 1 1/8" reveal. I didn't get that in writing, as I have learned I should've. My GC and the fab are close buddies, only the pencil edge is noted in our contract.

Typically, the templator would want the trim and all that in place beforehand to limit his liability. I guess if the trim was on site of if the GC told him about it, then it should have been accounted for.

Also, why isn't the 3cm granite placed right on top of your cabinets? Typically it is so that there is only an 1/8" or so between the underside of the granite edge and the drawer. Something seems fishy here. Cabinets should have been levelled during installation by shimming from below.

The difference between 1.25" and 1-1/8" is negligable so I wouldn't worry about that.

Nice looking granite though. What is it?

As a Fabricator (not trying to be "self promoting" here) -

I have always used the dimension of 1 1/2" Overhang measured from the FACE of the Cabinet Frame, or the vertical face pf the cabinet box - NOT the drawers..... been doing this since 1985 without a problem !

Unless otherwise specified - the overhang amount is diagramed showing the dimension clearly for the customer to have as a reference and cover my proverbial "arse" too......... LOL

As I always say - "If a Customer KNOWS what they are getting, they WONT be SHOCKED when they GET it"......

HTH

kevin

I'm going to call the cabinet guy and ask about the wood. I think it was for the sink side, but the run on the other side of the oven has it, too.

Thanks for all of your help. It is a Nacarado and was marked a quartzite.

A little unevenness wouldn't bother me unless it was obvious (hard to tell the overall look from here) but I'd sure want more overhang than you've got in some of those spots. If it looks okay and there is enough overhang by the sink, I'd leave it because that stone is just too darn awesome to mess with. (Insisting on a discount, of course.)

But if they can fix it without scrapping the slab, it would sure be preferable. It IS wrong, to not have it all the same. And a little weird where it's flush, at least it looks to be.

So, they built up the cabinets with ply then put the granite on. Thats usually done with 2cm, not 3cm. When done with 2cm, the edge is usually doubled up/ built up/ laminated to hide the ply. Don't know why they did it in this case. Likely because supporting the sink is easy on a sheet of ply placed on top of the cabinets. I would have recessed a piece of ply in the sink cabinet (supported appropriately with blocking/framing) then put the slab on top of the cabinets.

Of course, I'm not a fabricator.

Also, that doesn't fix your overhang issues.

We had a similar problem on our granite install. The fabricators/installers did a fabulous job on the island that was a weird shape and the farmhouse sink cut out, but they didn't bother templating the right angles and straight counters. So, when they put them in, they ran at angles to the cabinets/walls and didn't have a consistent overhang. Luckily, we caught it before they left for the day, so we had them fix it. It still doesn't have as much overhang as I would have liked, but it looks a lot better than it did.

Sorry, I don't have any good advice on what to do about your problem. Can they reset them and cover up any gaps with at the wall with backsplash material?

I think the trim under counter will be coming out and they will try a slim scribe molding. That should get rid of the no overhang section, but I'm still frustrated that there is such a variance in the overhang. Backsplash is already in.

I am a Fabricator, and from what I am seeing (based on your posted pics) - here's my " .02 cents worth" :

OBJECTIVE

1. it appears that you have 2CM (3/4") thick stone tops, but without a depth measurement - the stone could be 3CM - you will have to indicate wit a pic or measure the thickness of the stone and share that in order for me to make a more accurate opinion on the overall situation (OK... I just read one of the posts from earlier today that indicates that this is 3CM thick stone- Can You Confirm with a pic please)

2. it appears that your overhang is some where in the area of 1" to 1 1/4" from the face of the cabinet - again - a pic showing the measurement taken from the FACE of the CABINET will help to answer this question

3. you have plywood subtops

4. the plywood was "capped" by a wood trim strip - IF this indeed a 3CM job - the plywood is not required (per MIA Design Manual - Version 7 - which I have in my office of my Fabrication Shop, and use and refer to on a daily basis)

Marbles wrote: "I thought we discussed a 1.25" reveal, but my GC told me that we agreed on 1 1/8" reveal. I didn't get that in writing, as I have learned I should've. My GC and the fab are close buddies, only the pencil edge is noted in our contract."

To this I would say - Do you have a diagram with dimensions noted, or were you shown a sample of the amount of the overhang would be?

Based on all of this (and from what I have seen in the past) were your slabs possibly "squeakers" ? = your Fabricator was "just able to get everything to "squeak" by - size wise... your slabs were not really big - hence the overhang being a smaller dimension than the national standard of 1 1/2", or, by design - somebody told the saw man to cut the tops a litlle bit shallow (less than 1 1/2" overhang) - re-reading your earlier posts - I would shoot this theory down too, as your statement you made said "I bought 2 slabs, so there was plenty of space for the layout (my kitchen is on the smaller side)." If this is indeed the case, how much stone was leftover after all of the pieces were cut out? (just curious)

Typically - 3CM stone is set directly on the cabinets - NOT on plywood subtops. Does this make for a bad install? IMHO = NO, however, it does show me that someone (Fabricator) was not thinking here, or is inexperienced, or just goofed up = or a combination of all of the above.....

Advertguy - plywood subtops are installed ON TOP of the cabinet assembly - never recessed like you described = this would not make for a good install, and would be a waste of time, effort and materials (IMHO). this sink does appear to be supported adequately for my taste (as this is how SS sinks are set for 2CM applications everyday of the week and twice on Sundays... HA!

Marble - you should pull out ALL of your documentation from the GC and your Fabricator to see if a diagram or dimensions are documented as to what IS now installed - and what WAS promised.

As far as your Fabricator goes = The "This is the way we've always done it" defense does not work when you get to court, (and I hope that your current path does not lead you there), but if it does - you need to have the facts straight and have them supporting your argument. There needs to be some evidence supporting what you got versus what you paid for - otherwise, this while issue becomes a subjective study in personal aesthetics - "what I like is not always what YOU like"

In all fairness to your Fabricator - it looks like he did give you an overhang, and the edge of the stone is even or a tiny bit more than the drawer fronts. What is still in quaetion is "who told them to do it this way - or did THEY (your Fabricator or your GC or both) decide FOR YOU as to the amount of front leading edge overhang you were to receive?

IF what was installed is what was agreed on - you have no recourse

IF on the other hand - you INDICATED a set dimension, and said dimension was NOT delivered - THEN you DO have a case.

Your "case" can be as simple as getting some form of remediation because the overhang not what you had agreed to = or a total re-do.......

My best advice to you is this:

keep things civil and try to be as reasonable as possible under the circumstances, but also - stand your ground if you KNOW that what you got was the wrong goods, but you need to be able to prove it.....

HTH

kevin

Kevin,

Not being a fabricator myself as mentioned above, how would a sink be supported without a subtop/ply with 3cm slabs? Just curious.

I prefer (and use) the "Sink Setter" it's available from the folks that make them,
and they dont cost a ton - usually under $50.00 for thr kit - depending on the type of sink you are using. The Sink Setter has worked best for me.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sink Setter Website

Kevin - thanks so much for your feedback, I appreciate it and it is really helpful.

Yes, it is a 3cm slab

Here is my attempt at a picture of the measurement from the face of the cabinet, please correct me if I misunderstood. :)

compared to one of my other counters:

I have 1/4" plywood subtops on 2/3 of the counters, there is one section that doesn't have it (and is at counter height). I do not have any paperwork from the fabricator or from my contractor that discusses the overhang, only that my estimate includes a pencil edge.

I do not have the leftover granite yet, but here is a picture of the layout (the little "L" on the right side is the one that is flush with the cabinet):

I thought we discussed 1.25" or so, I would be fine with 1 1/8". I just really wish it was consistent.

Photo overload on this thread, I'm going to delete some of the older pictures...

I need an edit button. The long "L" on the LEFT side is the one that is flush with the cabinet trim on the front.