I also can't figure out how liddy is using that sports rack--I can figure out how to hang the pots, but the lid thing is beyond me. Unless that's not it. I know how this one *could* be used: you could "hang" it on the floor of the cabinet (w/ the screw holes you could even fasten it so it won't move around) instead of on the wall. that makes the little prongs stick straight up, and you stand the lids on their edges between them (like putting plates in the dishwasher). Since the prongs are SHORT (unlike the ones in the dishwasher), the prongs themsevesl don't interfere w/ the curves of the pot lids.

laughable - I'm not Chicago Bob, but we had considered something like that at one point when it looked like I might not be able to have my 3rd (top) drawer under my induction cooktop at a usable height...we would have had the front represent as the two drawers, but part of the front would have been covering an area of the cooktop clearance, then the drawer in a drawer would have been just below that...putting the drawer within a drawer would have yielded me the storage area that I needed, even if it was a bit less convenient. If you have a choice though, I would be less likely to do the drawer in a drawer. As it is, my top drawer front for my cooktop cabinet is 6" high (lining up with the rest of the top drawers in the kitchen) and will have a drawer depth of about 2 1/2"...enough for me to put flatter utensils (or some people would put lids) in that area.

Drawers vs Roll Out Tray Shelves (ROTS) OK, so you didn't mean what Teppy has...you meant Roll Out Tray Shelves (ROTS) (a.k.a., pullout shelves) "Most people on this forum seem to prefer drawers over cabinets with slideouts. One person, though, commented that she preferred slideouts because the lids (stored to the side) could fall to the side of the cabinet, and one didn't have to adjust them perfectly to keep them in the drawer. Also, she got more room with the pullouts." SO...I'm now confused about your description...the problem you described is a problem with ROTS, not a way to solve the problem. Drawers solve the problem. Are you saying it was a good thing they fell over? B/c it sure wouldn't be good for me...I'd have to move them back onto the ROTS to be able to pull open the shelf...they would get caught on the frame of the cabinet if they stayed leaning over. If you have frameless cabinets, you might not have to move them, but as soon as you pulled the shelf out they would fall to the floor b/c of the short sides. OTOH, if you have drawers and you store lids on the sides, the sides of the drawers will keep the lids from falling into the cabinet itself or out onto the floor. ROTS have short sides and anything that's taller than the sides w/o a large base may fall over the sides. Also...it only takes one motion to open a drawer but it takes 2 or 3 to open a ROTS. With ROTS, you have to open 1 or 2 doors all the way and then pull out the tray. With drawers, just pull the drawer open as little or as much as you need. Drawers are especially helpful when you have only one hand free or are in a hurry. I much prefer drawers to ROTS! As a matter of fact, I got one cabinet w/ROTS and I now wish I had gotten a "trash pullout" type arrangement instead. Hestia_Flames...you must have had one of the very old style lazy susans that had the rotating shelves sitting inside a cabinet w/the walls that are several inches away from the shelves. My mother has the same thing in her 49 year old kitchen & she has the same problem. However, when our house was built in 1995 they put in the "newer" type...it had one curved wall that followed the contour of the shelves and was so close to the shelves that nothing larger than a grain of salt could fall through. We had probably the worst cabinets made (AristoKraft) and we still had that newer wall. (AristroKraft was rated dead last by CR for quality & overall value back when they used to rate individual cabinet companies.) In the 13 years or so that we had those cabinets nothing ever fell off b/c there wasn't anywhere for them to fall to. That one 36" lazy susan (pole in the center) held all our pots & pans, colanders, MW dishes, and a few other misc items. I was amazed at how much fit in that thing...and everything was always accessible b/c you just rotated it to the front. [I really wanted one for my new kitchen to hold all my small appliances (only w/o the center pole), but alas my DH wanted the Pet Center instead so I lost it. (My small appliances now take up way too much room in my small pantry.)]

I don't think the track is metal. Here are some close-ups: The only problem you might have with cutting it are the metal pieces on each end that hold it the correct distance apart. I looked at it carefully, but I just can't tell if it is something that could be taken apart and put back together. The rack is very simple, though, and maybe you could attach the two pieces of wood with the hooks between them directly to the underside of the shelf WITHOUT the metal pieces. You could even just install some hooks alone there if you don't care about sliding them back and forth. If you have a big enough cabinet and don't have too many hooks I think that would work fine.