The Sunrise Verde is a much better window, better thermal performance, much lower air leakage rate, and a much higher structural number. Good looking window.
The sunrise essentials is where it belongs; in a garage. Thats it.
The Marvin Integrity all ultrex is cheap looking, flimsy, and has a very high air leakage number( very bad).
The Marvin Infinity all ultrex is much better looking and built better than the Integrity. Some guys think they are basically the same, the are NOT .

Ok got another Sunrise quote from local dealer 2 of 3.

$14,700 for the exact same specs as the initial installer +$1506.00 to go with a garden kitchen window instead of slider. Total $16,206

$12,975 + $1000 for garden window round up total $14,000

Me and the wife really dig the garden window after we have seen it.

I'd agree with the recommendation for the Sunrise.
I am no more a fan of the Marvin Infinity than the Integrity, but I believe that both are solidly built, just not top performers. IMO, the reason to go with a Marvin product would be for the rich look and feel of a wood interior. For that purpose, the Wood/ultrex unit is nice. The all-ultrex product (Integrity AND Infinity) is the answer to a question that nobody is asking: Can you get a product that is more expensive than a premium vinyl choice, but with inferior performance, and no other tangible benefit?
Sunrise Verde is a very good window that will serve you well, and that pricing is good for the amount of work involved.

The Infinity has THICKER walls than the Integrity ( all ultrex), a marvin rep told me that. Its also designed better and is nicer looking.

I've never heard that. Not to say that it isn't true, but it is also far less significant in a fiberglass product than vinyl. The all-ultrex Infinity is a little bit prettier than the Integrity, I'll give you that. Other than that, I'm just not a big fan, particularly at the inflated price that they typically fetch. Similar AI and U value ratings for both, neither being anywhere near the top vinyl choices. To me, Marvin is a beautiful and well-built wood window (both the Ultimate and wood/ultrex Integrity), but again, there is a performance trade-off.

Agree, the Marvin wood Ultimate is nice. I was just trying to say Infinity is built better than all ultrex integrity. That said, Infinity totally lacks in performance; high air leakage number and a less than stellar Ufactor.
Plenty of much better windows out there such as high end vinyl. Okna/ HiMark- quantum 2 - Sunrise Restorations to name a few.
The Okna/ Himark 800 series is also nicer looking than the Infinity and blows it away from a performance stand point.

Agreed

+1 to the previous comments.

The Sunrise is the better window in that comparison in terms of thermal and structural performance numbers. Some would also argue that despite the "synthetic" vinyl look that it is actually prettier than the all Ultrex window.

That last one is a matter of opinion but if we are talking about the wood-ultrex combo, the nod goes to the Marvin.

Yes went with Shelton. Did a great job was 4 to 5k cheaper then the other 2 installers in Farmington. This is considering he also installed new interior window trim and ledges (we had just drywall and small ledges before) all new custom bent full exterior aluminum caps. Replaced some rotted wood prior and he built out a deep window in the kitchen. He is slow a one man show that takes his time to make sure its right. Haf him come back and do our walkout slider too. Also had a white fuzzy weather seal stretch from the lock and fail. Sunrise made me a whole new sash and he repalced it for me.

Also tell him Matt B White Lake sent you (i dont think he has a referral plan lol) my Cousin and I think Siter in law used him

We are in the process of getting quotes from ALL over.. Caswell... Iversons, Lowes.. Pure Energy.. etc........ its overwhelming to say the least... I liked Sheltom... He seemed very knowledgeable....and would install them correctly. What is take on the Sunrise Window itself?... any issues with them?...

Yes from research i only wanted sunrise. Spent about 2 years looking at different brands. Wood is beautiful just too much upkeep and 2 to 3k more money. I know another great installer that would do wood if you want. They have been great no issues other then that seal that they replaced no questions. A what $200 lower sash when they could have just done a $1 fuzzy seal. Great cust service. His trim work interior and ext was top notch also. We just did white vinyl inside and outside none of the fake woodgrain though it did look nice. Our heating and cooling bills went down quite a bit from the old builder grade garbage we had.

Yes... Who is the other installer you would recommend?.... We have 20 windows to replace, so I want to make sure all my I's are dotted and T's are crossed

Scott Standley 12488903946 alot of guys at my work swear by him but my house was areound 25k......

Thanks!....... I am leaning with Sunrise over Pella and the others. Shelton seems reasonable and I like the guy..... although his quote came in rather high at $ 950 per window with a double pane with the Ultra U plus glass....... But I am sure there is some wiggle room.

The other quote came in (using Sunrise Triple pane glass) at $789 per window..... with a same glass package....its a tough choice.... The triple pane window has better U factor etc ratings....

We did 3 triple panes due to how our house faces the slider family room pitcure and a upstairs bedroom made a huge difference. Tell him you were quoted less

Make sure you’re comparing apples to apples David. Sunrise makes 5-6 different tiers, and some installers only handle certain tiers. The restorations are their top tier and an outstanding window. You want to stay away from the lower few. The $175 price difference without 3 pane may be a different tiered window/insulation/trim, etc.

I was quoted with the Verde Line..... Triple pane in all but 1 window (Picture window is too heavy for 3 panes)......I know the Essentials is not all that good--- The Vangaurd and Restoration Line is quite good--- but the price point is a too much. Verde Line seems to have good reviews---- You have any input on them?

I actually went to the Showroom to put my hands on them... There are certainly some different features between the 2 lines. I believe the frame itself is the same---as far as the foam filled vinly---- What glass package did you go with and are you happy with it?

And thanks for your info--- Super helpful

We went with the Triple pane apex package (ultra-u plus8). We're in MN and suffer from both weather extremes. The windows are not yet installed, they were just ordered after before the Christmas. We are actually just doing two double casements first and will live with them for a few months before purchasing more. i want to make sure I truly like our windows before committing another $20-30k for the rest of our windows and doors. Yes, it cost more doing it this way, but I'm ok to pay a bit more to ensure I'm happy.

We live in Michigan... so I understand about the conditions. We are also thinking about the Ultra U Plus Triple Pane.... We are doing all the windows at once (the existing windows are just horrible---Ive done all I could do to keep the draft out)..... Yes... Its a lot of $$..... we have a quote of around $760/window after some haggling....

lol, I'm a big higher. $5,300 for the two double casements so like $1300 per pane. But, it's their top of the line window, and trim, and triple pan. Was the cheapest bid I got in our area, and the other bids were only double pane.

OUCH!!!!...... Yes.....I am sure you are a bit higher d/t the top tier window..... Post back when you get them in.. would love to hear the feedback

@David M, where are you in Michigan? I'm in Washtenaw county and also looking to replace my windows with Sunrise, quoted about $1K/pane. Would you mind sharing where you get the quote from. Thanks.