How to frame pony wall for overhanging top without corbel support
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Comments (1)You might want to post on the discussions side as you will get more responses....See Moreisland overhang without corbels or legs
Comments (17)For those not wanting corbels or legs...be very careful as plywood by itself is not sufficient support...you need additional support. First, there's the "6 & 10 Rule": If your slab is 2 cm, you can have up to a 6" overhang without support. If your slab is 3 cm you can have up to a 10" overhang without support Anything over these numbers needs to be supported. For example, with 3cm granite, if you have a 15" overhang you will need 5" corbels or other support so no more than 10" is unsupported. If you don't want corbels or legs, consider the "CounterBalance" system instead. See the following threads for more information on the above (and more!): Thread: Stone Information and Advice (& Checklists) Thread: Kevin - 'remember the 6 & 10 rule' [talks about the CounterBalance system, among others] Thread: granite fabrication questions..what do you think! [also talks about the CounterBalance system, among others]...See Morewooden island overhang support (pic)
Comments (26)Thank you for all these informative comments. I wish I had more expertise. I'm kind of getting a vibe from my contractor, because we both know the carpenter screwed up and forgot the overhang in the first place (at which time proper supports could have been integrated) like, 'Just give her whatever she asks for.' And he and the carpenter are probably getting a vibe from me like, 'I don't have a ton of faith in anything these guys say.' So I'm grateful for all these comments. To chiefneil: I'm glad to hear you say keep the 9" planks, since that's what I"m doing. Could you explain a little more how to support them? I do have two athletic teenaged sons and their friends to worry about, and I did think about just putting plain wooden legs on either side - but no one seems to like this idea. I guess I should have added that the top cannot simply be removed and put back to add flat steel beams - it had to go in in two pieces because of my low ceiling and the posts at either end of the island. Taking it off at this point means destroying it. So any supports will have to be added after-the-fact. Legs and corbels at either end will work. Steel brackets will work. But now I'm nervous about what effect that has on the wood... Staceyneil (any relation to chiefneil?): are you sure your overhang has no support? Maybe they built it in and it's invisible? Your situation makes me think I should leave well enough alone! Would love to hear from anyone who has a similar overhang, and how they support it - or don't... Thanks!...See Moreurgent island overhang support question
Comments (11)The plywood is put on before templating and cut to be flush with the cabinets on the side without seating overhang and extending about an inch or two less than you want the overhang on the overhang sides. The templater than measures the plywood and the granite top is made to fit. At least that is how it was done for us. Our steel bars are about 2" wide and 1/2" thick. The steel bars can't crisscross. There isn't enough thickness of the plywood for that. To support an overhang on two sides, the steel bars could run at angles so that they radiate from the corner opposite the overhangs. Our bars were angled to avoid the prep sink and range top cut outs. Our bars are long enough to run all across the top of the island. Our granite has a laminated edge that hides the edge of the plywood. I have friends who don't have a laminated edge who used a piece of molding stained to match their cabinets to cover the plywood edge. The bottom of our plywood is unfinished. I wish I had thought to ask our GC to use one with cherry veneer facing down and stained to match our cabinets. Nobody but me notices it....See Morelive_wire_oak
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