Should we even consider buying this house?

12 years ago

We are looking for a new house and I found one on-line that appears to meet our requirements. We called the realtor and she said that she wanted to tell us about the property first, and then we could decide if we still wanted to see it.

She said that the builder built this house for a family, and then after they bought it, they started noticing premature soil movement. They were getting ready to relocate, and the builder bought it back from them. The builder brought in a company to adjust and fill in the soil in the yard and under the house. They also put french drains in the yard. The builder let the house sit for over a year to make sure that it was not having more problems with the soil. They had a structural engineer come in and they have reports showing that there was no damage to the foundation or the house.

The other thing that she said was that the cabinets were built on-site, and apparently the wood had some bugs in it (basically some kind of termite) and they had to remove all the cabinets and put in new cabinets.

They are selling the house as-is, and it would not have any warranty. Usually with this builder, you have a two year warranty that covers everything, and then a ten year warranty that covers structural defects. The house is already five years old.

Does this sound like a house that we should still consider? If we did decide to move forward with it, we would hire our own inspector to do a thorough inspection. Part of me feels like we should not even consider it, but the other part feels like they have fixed the problems, so maybe we should think about it.

What do you think? Thanks in advance for any advice/opinions!!

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marie_ndcal
12 years ago
Where is it located--that is, city, country etc. What kind of permits did the builder get. Check with the local city/county building department. With soil problems, did they get a structural certificate etc. Flooding zone?? fire zone. Most inspectors are not trained to handle these problems. What other problems could/have happened in the 5 years. That is a long time to let a house sit empty.
baylorbear
Original Author
12 years ago
Thanks, Marie-ndcal!

The house is in a suburb of Houston, Texas. It's not in a flood zone, but we would still buy flood insurance. I think that it's been empty for the last year/year and a half. The original owners bought it in 2006 and lived in it for a few years.

It sounds like we have some research to do! I was also thinking that it would be smart to bring in a structural engineer as well as the inspector.
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Przemek, You could say that the water table is where the soil is saturated underground. Your soil sample found this to be at 4'2" at site 1 in mid-May; so that is probably about as high as it typically goes down by the flood plain. They did not find the water table in the two holes where you plan on building, but they only went down 5'. The water that sits in the soil at this level is not typically safe to drink because some bad chemicals that exist on the surface (ground) haven't been filtered out yet (like from animal and human waste). A well at this point is often called a "sand point" well and would only be used for irrigation or filling a pond. Good drinking water is found by drilling down into the rock layers below the soil. These deep aquifers contain water that has been filtered by the soil and protected from contamination by rock. They can still get bad chemicals into them though, but they are most often only contaminated from surface water running into the aquifer from the well itself. So just because your drinking water is found at 130ft doesn't mean you won't have a lot of water at 10'. For my well they drilled through 130' of sugar sand, then about 30' of stone to get a high quality aquifer. Meanwhile, only about 50' down the hill from my well is a wetland with multiple springs that empty into a small creek. There is so much water pressure in the upper 50' sometimes that the springs will "shoot" the water a good 6" up into the air. In low permeable soil you should be able to pump away the water even if the water table comes up somewhat above your basement floor.
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Perhaps bringing in a contractor into the house and tell him your needs and thoughts on the renovations you'd like to do. They should be able to give you a ball-park costs to do the "upgrades", advise to any pitfalls you may find yourself overlooking, like finishing out the attic space and electrical. If you have a realator, you could also sit down with them and pull comparable sales. You may "think" this home is well priced, but is it really??? I'd want to see exactly what kind of value you would be getting by buying and with planned upgrades (once you have a budget in mind) where you stand in terms of value once things are finished. Adding baths, bedrooms, etc will increase the value, but to what degree. As always with a home this old you run the risk of running to unexpected issues and surprises when the demo starts. You don't say what part of the country you'd in, but if your anywhere near the south, I wouldn't buy a home as old as this one without having it inspected for termites. Here in Cincinnati the first home (c 1850 farm house) we placed on offer on had extensive termite damage and our home inspector told us it's not that uncommon for older homes in the city to have damage... it's the extent of the damage and if there is a current infestation. Ended up being much more work then we wanted so as the contract had a contengentcy of home inspection, it allowed us to bail on the house. DON'T allow your emotions to push you into something your not ready for. You mentioned someone else was also looking at the home... added pressure to make quick a decision, which may not be the right one for you. Be prepared to walk away... Good luck!!!
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sweet_tea
12 years ago
How would the owners know about soil movement...cracks in floors and walls(interior and exterior0? Doors not closing? It must have been pretty bad. There probably was a lawsuit.

Is it a real good deal? Is the property on a slope or does water come toward the home?

You need to view the home inside and outside just to see if if you even want to consider it.
cas66ragtop
12 years ago
"Premature soil movement" can mean a lot of things. I do not understand how you can stabilize soil UNDER a house that has already been built. I have no idea how serious the problem really was, or how difficult it would be to fix, but admitting you had to stabilize soil UNDER a house tells me there was a BIG problem.

I also have my doubts the builder voluntarily repurchased the house from the buyer - there may have been a lawsuit (or the threat of one) involved. And this is just my paranoid, suspicious nature - but any big housing developer has certain connections where he could easily find someone to "sign off" claiming everything was ok. If something bad develops - how easy would it be to hold them accountable for that piece of paper claiming everything was ok?

Then the termite thing is another problem, but that seems less of an issue to me. Thats something that can be easily treated, and lets hope they thoroughly inspected the house to make sure the termites were only concentrated within the cabinets.

I really don't mean to be a fear monger, but I would definitely stay away. With as many houses are on the market, it would be easier to find another house that does not have these issues.

Good luck
baylorbear
Original Author
12 years ago
Thanks for the responses!

I don't think that we are going to consider it. When I told DH what the realtor said, he immediately said NO WAY!

We want the next house that we buy or build to be our forever home, and it doesn't sound like this is the house for us. It's a beautiful house, but like PP said, there are many houses on the market!

Thanks again!
logic
12 years ago
FYI for future reference...an inspector can only tell you what he can see. If the termites progressed into the walls, you will only see any damage if the walls are removed. An inspector can't see under the house. So..although there may be no visible evidence of soil movement right now, that does not mean it won't happen again as the area is probably prone to this situation.

Inspectors can't predict the future either. That is why having a thorough inspection on a house like this is not worth the time or money....as there are already a huge possibility of numerous hidden defects that can't be seen by any inspector. That's all you need to know to make a wise decision..which you have already made.

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