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Help Pls - Entry Tile pattern too busy-tile guy on his way

14 years ago

I thought this would look great but I think it's too busy. rest of home will be 18 inch tile in brick pattern. entry is hopscotch with 6 x 6 mosaic insets, now I think it is too busy but I didn't like the border style most entries have. Visible entry is 5.5 feet by 8 feet. (closet doors are removed to lay tile). I also didn't want to do diagonal since rest of house is layed square. What to do?

Any and all pattern suggestions considered. thanks so much.

Looking at the photo I may have found a solution, what about using the 18 x 18 tile and the insets, that might be less busy than using the 12 x 12? what do you think?

Comments (50)

  • 14 years ago

    I don't know that it is too busy, but I don't like the change from 12" to 18" upon leaving the foyer. So I agree, don't use the 12" tiles at all.

    Personally I like the border look. I would need to see the hopscotch using the 18" tiles before commenting.

  • 14 years ago

    OK, at first I agreed with you on the business. But after looking at it for a few minutes I'm not sure. I really like the insets. What do you plan to have in the entry way as far as decorations or furniture? I look at the design as one would an area rug. It separates the entry from the other room and makes a "rug" like appearance. Get your tile guys 2 cents worth too.

    HTH

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  • 14 years ago

    I think you're right, it is too busy. What if you create a rug and use the inserts with that?

    Here is a link that might be useful: tile rug examples

  • 14 years ago

    I agree it's too busy. How about just using two tiles per row and make it a simple rectangle?

  • 14 years ago

    graywings, thanks I am going to try the 18 pattern and will post a photo.

    rnmomof2, thanks, the way the entry is set up there are two closets one on either side, then two windows and the door, so not any room for furniture, unless I set something in front of the window, so I may not have any furniture or decor there?

    lukkiirish, thanks I thought I might not like the rug look, but I may try something with that pattern too, since I don't think any furniture will fit in there - the rug pattern might be the furniture.

    caminnc, thanks, not sure what you mean by two tiles per row, two of the 12 x 12 next to one another?

    I am going to lay out the 18 inch pattern right now and take a photo to post.

  • 14 years ago

    Here's the 18 inch pattern in the entry; I really like this one much better, thanks so much for your input. What do you think?

  • 14 years ago

    I think you are going to end up with a lot of odd size pieces of the larger tile around the outside perimeter that will end up looking busy,and perhaps give the impression that you ran out of the decorative tile inserts and so had to switch to doing just the plain tile on square.

    I would try having an outside row of the larger tiles, then a border of the decorative tiles, then more of the field tiles, then a center made up of the decorative tiles in a shape that echoes the overall shape of the entry, which appears to be rectangular.

    Or, work out a pattern with the 12 and 18 inch tiles on square, with an occasional decorative piece.

  • 14 years ago

    Echoing les, your tile layout and design should prioritize full tiles in the most important places, like at the front door. Assuming the tile will run into the closet having cut tiles at that wall is not a big deal. You don't want a lot of little pieces at the entry wall OR where it meets with the tile beyond the entry - are those tiles just placed or are they installed? If they are just placed there as a visual you may have to shuffle the whole thing to get a good layout. This is something you can work on with your installer who *hopefully* has a good eye for that and understands the design issue, not just the mechanics of laying tile. Some are really good at that, others not so much so you'll have to be the judge of his expertise.

    Another thing to remember is that a lot of the busyness to your eye will be minimized with grouting - that ties the whole thing together and smooths out those visual rough edges.

  • 14 years ago

    As I feared, the inset tiles need to be larger to balance the 18" tiles, in my opinion.

  • 14 years ago

    Hi Les917, thanks, unfortunately the size of the entry is 5 feet 5 inches (I misspoke in the first posting) so either there is a seam at the door or against the room and I think a seam against the room would be more visible to the eye than the door. With the insets being one inch squares if I split the difference I am left with a half inch little square and if I start at the door, I am left with a two inch tile at the entry to the room but only in two places across with width of the entry. If the entry was 5 feet 6 inches the pattern would match exactly. The windows extend into the entry further than the door so there will be two little insets there and three by the door.

    Hi dlm2000, the tile are just set there to take the photo, they are not laid.

    Hi graywings, if I go with a larger inset tiles I'll have that busyness again which I didn't like with the 12 inch tiles and insets in the previous photo.

    If I try to have a bordered rug pattern (which I really don't like at all) I have to start with a 9 inche tile to get enough room in the center to have a rug pattern. So I'd have two 9 inch tiles - one at the door and one at the entry to the room.

    The problem is the depth of the entry. It is either no pattern and stick with the main layout or a best case scenario with some insets.

    I wanted to have something a little jazy at the entry since we are having the same tile for the remaineder of the whole house.

    The only other way I can think of is to have the 18 inche tile with the inset tiles at the corners on a diagonal, but I tried laying on a diagonal and due to the size of the room (again the small depth of the entry) that just didn't look good and there were too many small cuts of the large tiles.

  • 14 years ago

    How about at the corners on a diagonal, but every other tile or something of that sort.

  • 14 years ago

    Was the 9" start and end using 18" or 12"? Personally, I'd at least try laying out the "rug", you may change your mind. A 9" wide row with 12" tiles centered wouldn't look bad, I'm not sure about 18" since half a tile is just about pushing it but at least you'd have same cut at both ends, which looks better than a skinny one at one end.

  • 14 years ago

    Are you ever going to have a rug in the entryway? I think a real rug on a ceramic "rug" may end up competing with each other.

    The last layout is pretty classic hopscotch proportion wise, making the inset area larger would start to turn it into something else.

    Have you tried hopscotch with a single tile instead of nine mosaics?

    Have you just tried it with the same on square pattern as the rest of the house? Sometimes simple is best.

  • 14 years ago

    I'm afraid it's a pattern you're going to get tired of in time........but that's just MO! ;)

    I would do the diagonal with a border break between the two. Your tile guy can cut pieces for the border break from tile you have or you can buy trim.

    For a visual, check out the pic below. If you look to the right you'll see the diagonal meeting the square laid tile, but the break they inserted makes it flow nicely yet separates the space.

    Here is a link that might be useful: {{!gwi}}

  • 14 years ago

    I did something similar to what annz suggests. I wanted the foyer tile on the diagonal and the kitchen tile square with a border between. See the link for a picture.

    Good luck!

    Here is a link that might be useful:

  • 14 years ago

    Hi graywings, thanks, not sure what you mean about every other, do you mean diagonal on the outside edge and then square in the middle?

    Hi ajsmama, thanks, the 9 inches was with the 18 inch tile, I took back the 12 inch tile as it was way too busy with smaller tile so close to 18 inch tile. I really have some type of adversion to the rug look so I am rejecting that look completely.

    hi palimsest, thanks, I will probably never have a rug there because I have a screened covered pre entry and I can put a rug out there. Larger would be too much for the little insets, single inset would be way too small, only one inch. I really wanted insets some how or another; I guess I'll play with it again tonight. Tile guy decided to grout great room so this can sit a while and I can look at it. You may be right on simple is best, I had my heart set on some type of jazzyness, but perhaps I should just discount that - it costs more money for the insets and I could use the savings that's for sure.

    Hi Annz, thanks, I looked at the pattern and it looks ok, but I think that space is much larger than the one I have and if I put a border it breaks it off too much IMHO. I hope i don't get tired of this pattern, I think it look modern rather than symetrical which I like much better. DH and I are going to play around with it tonight to see what we think.

    Hi jillinnz, thanks I prefer to have a random inset rather than a border separating the two as it such a small space.

  • 14 years ago

    Personally, I would just lay the entry tile the same as the rest of the floor. I would probably want a large rug in my entry, and wouldn't want to have it compete with the tile work. Sometimes, simple is best.

  • 14 years ago

    I meant a single tile the same size as the 9 mosaics.

  • 14 years ago

    I was thinking you might do something like this. Just keep in mind the busier the pattern the sooner you will get tired of it.

    {{!gwi}}
    or maybe this would work
    {{!gwi}}
    or maybe just one little tile at the top of each large tile turned on diagonal. Also keep in mind where rugs and/or furniture might go. Good luck.

  • 14 years ago

    Hi terricks, thanks, I beginning to be sorry I ever got the little insets as it is causing me such consternation trying to figure it all out.

    Hi palimpset, thanks, you know they have that same tile in a six inch tile, which I had thought of that. the insets came on a sheet and I cut them up, wonder if Lowe's would take them back?

    Hi cammine, thanks, you know I might try out your second photo, that is simplier. The rest of the floor is laid in the brick pattern which each row over laps the seam of the other, but I think that pattern could still have the insets at the corner.

    the tile guy is going to kill me, changing my mind so many times. Actually he is really patient and doesn't seem to mind at all.

  • 14 years ago

    If I don't use the insets and stick with the brick pattern, the entry will have 3.61 eighteen inch tiles. Where would I make the .61 tile, along the main floor, I don't think that would look good and I don't think it would look good up against the door either.

    I could put a border around the outside edge all the way around. the border would be about 4.5 inches? So there would be two insets all the way around and I could fudge the grout lines and make them larger for the five seams?

    Heck, even though I didn't want a border, that might be best. I can't figure out a way to have the border set in the middle since there are only three 18 inch tiles. Geez I am getting myself all confused.

    I guess I'll go lay it out; my sketches really don't show me much.

  • 14 years ago

    Yes too busy. I would probably get tired of it, and also not a "classic" style. My sister bought one large insert tile mosaic, she has a very large entry way and it would have looked plain without it. The rest of her tiles were 12' x 12' set in a diagonal very similar to your color.

    It looked something like this but not quite as busy.

    Here is a link that might be useful: tile mosaic

  • 14 years ago

    I like the second pic that caminnc posted and think that design would work in your area.

    I'd cut the inserts you have into 4"x4" and use those instead of the 6"x6" you're using. Then you could use a row of 2's along the border.

    I still feel you need something between the break of the two designs and it should be either the inserts or cut sections of the 18" tile.
    If you want to keep it simple, then forget the inserts, center the tile in the area using the design you want, and let the tile guy cut the outer tile as a border. He could even miter the corners to make it look more framed.

  • 14 years ago

    Since you said you're reconsidering a border, here's one rough idea of how the 18" would look by cutting the accent inset tile block into a narrower strip of 2 x 6. Notice it would take 2 full tiles on the diagonal to reach across the area (making just about 5' square including the border). You could also use 12" tiles by putting 3 across the center.
    {{!gwi}}

    You said, "If I don't use the insets and stick with the brick pattern, the entry will have 3.61 eighteen inch tiles. Where would I make the .61 tile, along the main floor, I don't think that would look good and I don't think it would look good up against the door either."

    Any brick layout in that entry space will always have at least half tile around the edge just to get even, so not sure what you mean by that, but the front or side tiles could all be trimmed to fit the space and are less noticeable, particularly on the sides where you will likely be going into the closets.

    Good luck with your project. I think the tile layout always takes as much time as the installation, but is so worth the effort to think through.

  • 14 years ago

    Here's another sample I came across..........

    Here is a link that might be useful:

  • 14 years ago

    I had to paint the baseboards, finally got it laid out again, what do you think of this?

  • 14 years ago

    I think that looks great - cohesive overall design, not busy, draws one into the space, delineates the foyer. What more could one want?

  • 14 years ago

    I agree with rucnmom...completely..I really like the last pictures layout and believe that is your solution and it looks GREAT!!

  • 14 years ago

    I like it also! I would be concerned about how the diagonal tiles will line up with the straight tiles adjacent. It looks like it may be impossible to have the tile immediately in front of the door be centered and also have the tiles spaced perfectly evenly along the straight tiles. Currently the layout looks to be slightly off from perpendicular to the straight ones, but of course, you were just going for the overall look. However when the tiles are actually laid, if the points of the diagonal ones do not hit along evenly spaced areas of the straight ones, you may be less than happy with that transition.

    If I had to give up one of those, I think I'd give up centering the tile in front of the door and focus on the transition from the straight to the diagonal to make sure that those look good and allow the other side by the door to be slightly off since I think the transition from diagonal to straight will really be a focus as you come in. It looks like it'll be beautiful and I hope you post the finished pictures to inspire us all.

  • 14 years ago

    I really like this last set up using the 4 little tiles. You may consider a strip where the diagonal meets the straight if you really want to define space but I really don't think you have to.

    I am just going to throw out my transition pic in case it helps anyone else with these types of problems. I have an entry that turns the corner and hits a main hall. Problem was that if you had diagonal pattern in entry it ends up strainght in main hall. If straight in entry it ends up diagonal in main hall, bath and laundry (see drawing). Since this hall is the one that leads to family/kitchen the view was really important to me. We looked at this from many angles. DH came up with idea of strip of tile and where to place it. It is hard to tell from pic but when you look down hall from familyroom now you see straight tiles. When you make the turn left to head to front door the tile is straight until you make the slight turn toward front door. When you look down the tile is straight again. Although I was very much against it at first, I conceeded and now love it. It actually has an illusion. Most people notice the transition strip, love it, and don't even notice the tile changes pattern.

    When I eventually place an entry table on the wall I will place it on the longer side of the tile and place a large vase on shorter side to balance it. I don't like things halfway on one side of a mark. I am just like that.


  • 14 years ago

    Thanks all for your advice and help.

    I did get a little off on my dry run, but you get an idea of what it would look like if it were laid.

    The diagonal point of the tile will not line up with the door and the brick pattern of the tile in the great room. One of them will be off.

    I'ts either center it to the front door or center it to the room adjacent.

    If you look closely there is a pencil mark where the center is next to the tile in the adjacent room. You will see that it is slightly off center towards your right when you are looking at the tile.

    I am not sure which center to use, the door or the adjacent room. I may have to see both laid out to see which I like better.

    I am sure the tile guy by this time is thinking I am some crazy artistic type person and I am best left alone most of the time - or he is thinking I am the type of woman who changes her mind like the direction of the wind changes.

    It seems each new pattern creates it's own set of circumstances.

    I am wavering back on forth as to which place to center the point of the middle tile - the door or the room?

  • 14 years ago

    The diagonal point of the tile will not line up with the door and the brick pattern of the tile in the great room. One of them will be off. I'ts either center it to the front door or center it to the room adjacent.

    I like your last design, but I don't think I would want to live with the problem of the tiles not lining up AND the number of partial tiles around the edges.

  • 14 years ago

    Ok,
    I see the mark on the floor. If you draw a line to the door would the line hit the door in the middle? If so then I say the diagonal tiles should line up fine. From your pic it appears the tiles you layed out are wonky and need to be shifted to the left. I drew out tiles on a grid and they look like they would line up fine if your line at brickpattern lines up with center of door, which is what I would have thought your tile guy was aiming for.

    It looks like you layed the pattern starting with the first diagonal tile matching the brickpattern grout line. There is no way to make the diagonal pattern match up with the grout line. It looks really good to me on the grid.

    Hope this helps you visualize.
    {{!gwi}}

  • 14 years ago

    Honestly, I think doing any sort of change in the foyer is going to make it seem small and cut off the flow of the space.

    What's wrong with doing the same large tile thru out the space in the same pattern. To me that looks much more sophisticated. What you are doing now seems like when you have too many chotckes in a room. What if you ever want to put in a rug or decorate in other ways? You won't be able to because you'll always be restricted by the tiles. Just my opinion.

  • 14 years ago

    shannon, you have it right, that's how it will turn out, thanks.

    daisychain, I hate too many chockkes, can I stick with the same pattern and have the insets in some other way, just to jazz up the entry?

    oh boy everything else is so easy and this is so hard.

    actually everything else isn't so easy, painting baseboards, new painted walls getting dirty again, ugh I hate remodeling.

  • 14 years ago

    this is the last one

  • 14 years ago

    SPring- I so love this final set up. The others are really fun but the change to diagonal is not my favorite. The boarder makes the space seem special but still draws the eye down the hall as you enter the house.

  • 14 years ago

    Hi Shannon, yes, I think you are right, funny dh says this was what he wanted in the first place and why didn't i listen to him; he often has the best ideas for decorating. I hope the others see this too. If not I will post when it is all laid so everyone can see.

    Thanks so much to everyone for putting up with my fickleness and crazyness.

  • 14 years ago

    I thought you didn't like the "rug" look LOL? Seems to me that's what you've got with the border going all the way around...

  • 14 years ago

    Good decision. I like it!

  • 14 years ago

    I think that last one is best (other than not doing a different pattern in the entry), and you could still use an area rug in that space if you want to.

  • 14 years ago

    I like the last one the best. The others just seemed to break up the space in smaller spaces.

  • 14 years ago

    thanks all,

    ajsmama, yes I said Ididn't like the rug and I didn't, but this is the best pattern for that space andnow that I see it I see that dh and others here were correct.

    I know too funny, I now have what I didn't like and now like what i didn't like, strange process for me.

  • 14 years ago

    It's not an unusual process to make a 180 degree turn and like the end result! :)

    At least you were open to ideas and change. Congrats!

  • 14 years ago

    The last choice is great, but what are you going to do in the thresholds on either side of the entry?

    I would also see if you could use one 12 inch tile in the center, and fit the small decorative border tiles around it for a center detail.

  • 14 years ago

    Yep....I like the last choice with just a border. Very classic! :0) Timeless.....

  • 14 years ago

    I've been away on holidays. What did you decide? I really like the last pic.

  • 14 years ago

    Me too, what was final decision, any completed pics yet???

  • 5 years ago

    update.

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