Installing DW above floor level - questions
desertsteph
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how do DW manufacturers measure volume levels?
Comments (4)kashmi, et al. our DW is installed pretty flush with the cabinets (24" from the wall), with the handle sticking out. it's not perfectly flush because our cabinets aren't level (they are somewhat bowed out so the dishwasher face isn't perfectly flush with the cabinet. this is confirmed with a level: the bosch is perfectly level in all directions but the cabinets are not.) so i've done some more research and investigation and here are some of my hypotheses/findings: - i had been accidentally using a C-weighting on my sound level which has the Bosch checking in at 56-59db at it's loudest. but if i shift to A-weighting, which i'm sure Bosch would do (reduces the effective recorded volume measured for lower frequencies), the DW falls belows my sound level meters measurement threshold: it is below 50db standing 1-2 ft away from the front of the dishwasher. - most of the sound is coming from beneath the dishwasher from the area around the toe kick. the volume goes up a significant amount if one measures at the level near the floor and even with A-weighting, i get a measurement of 54db (ie, measurable with my sound level meter) - water being emptied out into the drain just above the disposer is louder too, but i don't think that is the dishwasher's fault and is unavoidable without a dedicated drain or something rigged to go below the disposer. my conclusion: i may not be getting 42db (that may be attained with water not hitting any dishes, but it's probably performing to "spec" and that the 42 db is probably measured a few feet from the unit at standing level with nothing in the dishwasher. i do think some measure of sound could be further reduced by putting some sort of insulated toe kick below. that would surely help some of the noise. i'm surprised your sister's older model is quieter, but it could be slightly a function of installation and perhaps ambient noise? hope this helps. i'll have to make a few more measurement to satisfy my ardent curiosity (that's what i get for being a scientist for my day job), but i feel a bit better that the dishwasher is doing what it is supposed to as far as sound levels are concerned. you owe it to yourself to buy or borrow a sound level meter to see if you 1" is affecting things. you still may be able to reduce the volume with it set back further, but it's hard to deduce with out any objective measures of the sound level....See MoreMiele DW authorized installer and warrantee questions
Comments (8)Ok, so far some things in this thread are not true. I spoke with Miele about this two months ago before I got my Diamante. The 4 year extended warranty on the Miele dishwasher is $249, not $150. (Where did you get a $150 price from?) http://www.mieleusa.com/miele_care/miele_care_indepth.asp?nav=400&snav=490&tnav=492&oT=230&benefit=88&page=2&menu_id=30 If you have a non-Miele-Authorized installer do the work, you then get the 1 year standard warranty. Within that 1 year (12 months) you can then decide to buy the Miele 4 year extended at $249, but after the 12th month it can not be purchased. If you have a Miele-Authorized installer do the work, you get the 1 year standard warranty + an extra 1 year courtesy warranty (for a total of 2 years coverage). But here's the thing....you can still buy the 4 year extended warranty ($249) but it has to be purchased by the 12th month (not by the 24th month like someone else said). That means that during the 13th-24th month, both the courtesy warranty and extended warranty run together. My delivery and installation using a Miele authorized installer was $149, which means I get the 2nd year of courtesy coverage. I have within the first 12 months to decide if I want to buy the 4 year extended warranty. If I do, that means the 2nd year (13-24th month) it is covered by the courtesy warranty and extended warranty. But then on the 25th month (and for 3 years) it is covered by the extended warranty. So in this case, I'd really be spending $249 for 3 years of extra coverage, since I'd have 1 year standard and 1 year courtesy. Hopefully you were able to understand this. If not, call Miele and have them explain it, since you can ask them questions directly....See MoreDW question... pic of high loop installation needed
Comments (5)A high loop is really easy - you take the drain hose that comes out of the DW and loop it before you attach it to the drain (make sure the loop is above the drain). You might need a little duct tape to hold in place but it's no big deal and doesn't involve any expense. Alternatively you can install an air gap but that does involve expense to drill and extra hold in your countertop and the purchase and installation of the air gap. Miele's have some kind of valve that precludes the need for an air gap or high loop but I don't know if any other brands do. I'm sure someone else on the forum can post a picture of a high loop for you....See Morefloor leveler question for vinyl flooring
Comments (4)Removal of the vinyl and installation of an approved flooring underlayment panel is not an option? I had similar problems with calcium carbonate (gypsum) based floor patches and skimcoats. We used to add a latex admixture to the product to improve the adhesive properties and help it to bond to problem substrates. I have no idea what the Skim Coat product is made from. Is it white or gray? Sounds to me that you have a poor bond between the Skim Coat product and the vinyl. Perhaps the vinyl in that area is contaminated with something that won't allow the Skim Coat to bond well. That's about all I can comment on here. Perhaps another person will come in with some advice for you. What does Armstrong say?...See Moredesertsteph
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