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Comments (67)I recommend against the Kohler Underscore Bubblemassage acrylic bathtub. My experience indicates Kohler has a high defect rate with these tubs. I've had *three* 60" x 36" Underscore jetted tubs sent to me in a 2-1/2 month span and ALL have been defective. The first and third tubs leaked. The first tub leaked heavily in at least six places, despite the shipping box and the tub itself appearing pristine. The third-party repair company Kohler sent could not fix all the leaks. Kohler explained this as a "rare" defect in "channels" within the tub, a flaw that cannot be caught through mere visual inspection. Apparently, the flaw also does not show up in Kohler's quality control checks at the factory. Kohler said this happens because the factory fills and drains each tub within minutes, and sometimes it takes hours for these leaks to appear. The second tub Kohler sent me was so poorly packaged that it arrived scratched and with interior stains. The distributor said that was a common occurrence with Kohler's "express ship" program, that they don't spend the time to package the tub in the typical way. The third tub also leaked, this time through a factory-installed tube connecting the body of the tub to the air jet motor. I am awaiting a Kohler-appointed repair person to come out a fix it. We hope the defect can be corrected so I don't have to pay for installation a third time. Each time I call, Kohler's representatives reassure me these defects are "rare" and they apologize for the inconvenience. Inconvenience aside -- my bathroom project has gone from a 3-week timeline to a 3-month timeline because of the delays incurred by waiting for replacement bathtubs -- the cost of ripping out and disposing of the first defective tub and reinstalling yet another defective tub has *almost doubled* my costs for this bathtub. Kohler has paid for the replacement tub and shipping, but that does not approach the personal cost of these delays. Kohler claims defects in this tub are rare, but I've had 3 delivered to my home, and my experience indicates their defect rate is 100%. Furthermore, Kohler's people, while polite and apologetic, have done NOTHING to expedite either the attempted repairs or the shipping of replacement tubs. This is what is most unacceptable: I understand that mistakes happen. No manufacturing process is perfect. But Kohler's customer service has been equally disappointing: lengthy remediation processes with no follow up, empty apologies with no expedited assistance and all costs borne by me. The tub looks beautiful, but I wish I never bought it. So much trouble....See MoreBest Hot Tub
Comments (16)Okay, so my husband and I finally settled on a hot tub. We just got a fantastic deal from Sundance on their Optima. We were trying to stay between $8-9K but went a little over when Sundance Spa had this great deal going on. Fully loaded Optima with stereo, cover, lifter, stairs, ozonator, and all the chemicals for a year along with delivery and set up for $10,100. We felt like we hit the jackpot. The only thing was we had to take it in the dark mahogony with the light interior as that was the special. I love those colors so I was ecstatic about it. We will take delivery in 5 weeks. Loved the Hot Springs but didn't love it better than the Optima and the price was a couple thousand more. So anyone looking to buy a tub now go to your Sundance dealer for this excellent deal!! I stayed away from the Limelight because after researching it was a basic tub that was overpriced and made in Mexico. If you are going to go Hot Springs stay with their Hot Spring line and not the cheap Mexican made tub. Thanks to everyone for their insight and knowledge!...See MoreBuzz in our stove when next door neighbor runs hot tub
Comments (27)"The power to that residence is single phase. 120 volts uses one pole, 240 volts uses 2 poles. I do agree with trying the opposite pole of the 240 volt service. Costs nothing to try. But since both poles of the 240 originate from one transformer winding, it is not highly likely to correct the problem. A more experienced observer could look to see if both residences are served by the same transformer. If not the same transformer, then the interference is more likely to be transmitted through the air. " Thank you for that little tutorial bus_driver,someone might find it helpful some day. Judging by how prolific you are in posting,sometimes multiple times in a single thread as you did in this one. So that people don't get the notion you are only counter-posting to other member's observations,please do something for us. Explain what your point is by saying " the power to that residence is single phase" AND "both poles of the 240 origionate from one transformer winding". It is this kind of advanced knowledge that alows even seasoned tradsmen to gain knowledge here on the GW discussions. Please don't think this is a who can squirt highest on the wall. To the contrary it is to advance knowledge or more acuratly in my case and a number of tradsmen who worked around me over the years, correct use in believeing inaccurate info. I will keep mine simple and to the point,please do the same so that it is easy to understand. Here is how I explain it to those just begaining to study residential wiring. Since house current is alternating current the actual direction that the electrons flow reverses direction 60 times per second (60 cycles). Put another way, the hot wire has a negative charge alternating with an equal positive charge, and the polarity of the hot wire reverses 60 times per second. Now a quick explanation of 240 / 220 volt house current; Appliances which use straight 240 current (such as electric water heaters,hvac or hot tubs) A black wire which is often known as a "hot" wire, which carries the current in to the fixture. Another "hot" wire which may be blue, red or white (if it is white the code actually requires it to painted or otherwise marked one of the other colors, but often it is not) which also carries current in to the fixture. A bare copper wire called the ground, the sole function of which is to enhance user safety. That's it, no neutral. Now, if you were paying attention, you are probably wondering "If there isn't a neutral wire then how is the circuit completed?" The answer is that when one hot wire is negative, the other is positive, so the two hot wires complete the circuit together because they are "out of phase". This is why 240 volt circuits connect to double pole breakers that are essentially two single pole breakers tied together. In the main panel, every other breaker is out of phase with the adjoining breakers. So, in essence 240 volt wiring is powered by 2 - 120 volt hot wires that are 180 degrees out of phase. After I understand all I "think" I know about the above,we will climb the transformer pole out back while you explain how a single winding supplies 240 volt. Thank you in advance,I'll set down and listen to you....See MoreHot Tub Wiring
Comments (11)That requirement refers to the flexible connection between the spa and whatever it's connected to. You have to read the ENTIRE clause. (A) Flexible Connections. Listed packaged spa or hot tub equipment assemblies or self-contained spas or hot tubs utilizing a factory-installed or assembled control panel or panelboard shall be permitted to use flexible connections as covered in 680.42(A)(1) and (A)(2). (1) Flexible Conduit. Liquidtight flexible metal conduit or liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit shall be permitted in lengths of not more than 1.8 m (6 ft) external to the spa or hot tub enclosure in addition to the length needed within the enclosure to make the electrical connection....See Morepoolguynj
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