No Sand Under Pavers?? Patio experts please help!
mimi72
17 years ago
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only sand for the base of paver patio?
Comments (8)Hi, I thought I would pop in and add my 2 cents here. First let me tell you that when I was a kid my dad put in a sunken patio. It was 18" below grade and he put down sand and then layed in brick. We had very heavy clay soil so it was thought that settling wouldn't be much of an issue. After a few years the bricks had settled here and there, with standing water after steady rains pooled in the low spots and took quite a while to drain off resulting in some areas accumulating moss. A little slick to walk on and a bit of a hazard after a long time. The bricks were also no longer tightly layed next to each other either. After less than 10 years he ended up laying a piece of outdoor carpet over the bricks to hide the unsightly moss and reduce the chance of slipping. Even with scrubbing the moss regularly with bleach to remove it he ended up losing the battle. My husband (a bricklayer by trade) put a new patio in at our home and used a limestone screen base. It has been 2 years and there is no settling at this point. Weeds are at a minimum. Occasionally we will have a few pop up but they have been very easy to pull. We used large irregular sized pieces of sandstone for the patio that were reclaimed old sidewalk squares that we decided to break and make into an asymetrical pattern with a brick spiral in the center. So far so good with the crushed limestone base. Excellent drainage, no standing water even after heavy rains. we did install a french drain below the crushed stone to promote even better drainage as well though....See Morepavers over sand vs concrete?
Comments (2)I have a similar question than the one posted earlier. I am planning to do a 867Sq ft of stone pavers. I have very rocky clay base. And am planning to pour a concrete slab of about 3-4" thick myself. Once that is done then I plan to lay the pavers on the top using mortar. The only reason I want to use the concrete pad is that I don't want any roots to break or disrupt the pavers. I will be pouring the pad for the first time and laying the pavers also for the first time in my life. I have read about how to do it, and have a few friends to help. I will be mixing the cement, sand, gravel and water in my backyard itself. Any comments on the possible pitfalls or on the entire plan that would help me do this big project would be very helpfu. Thanks in advance, Tajir...See MoreLaying Patio Pavers with sand base only?
Comments (2)I've laid several tons of flagstone over the years and use green or brown edging. It is flexible and lasts. You can pound it down in moist soil to your flagstone height. This helps keep grass from growing under as well. Being in AZ you may not have this problem. I also use a sand base and pack decomposed granite between the stones. It's held well over the years. tb in Texas...See MoreNeed expert advice on patio framing! PLEASE!!
Comments (5)I think I know why framers are having trouble with the picture. First off that's either not an actual patio roof or one of sorry design. There's no laths for sheet metal it would rattle in the slightest breeze then blow off in anything above 40 mph wind. Another thing is wide angle focal length of camera lens make's the room look like half of a hexagonal roof like is popular on gazebos when in reality I believe it's actually a hip. I recommend a gable style roof with same pitch as house has. The width of new roof dictate's how far up old roof the ridge starts. Tear off shingles and alow rafters to rest on deck if decking is 1/2" or more plywood,5/8ths or more osb or 1x boards. If deck is thin,weak or unlevel,rest all jack rafters on a 2x6 with angle ripped along valley. Let's talk about complications. I would not rest beams on house,construct dedicated pillers against wall of house. The underside of new roof that's over old roof will be unattractive if framed as suggested above so you need to think about what to do about it. The simplest solution is framing in a wall to cover the void. If you want beams same as patio,reinforcment in attic will be required to transfer weight to walls of house. Since you have no ceiling and consequently no ceiling joists above patio,you will have to do something to prevent walls spreading under load of roof. You could install beams from plate to plate or even painted cables. If it were mine I would remove patio door,wall between door and window,window and possibly additional wall then install a lam-beam above. Where door and wall were removed,two pair of hinged double doors....See Moregorillabuilder
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