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Comments (5)There are food smells and then there are horrible gunk smells. If you leave standing water, you can grow all kinds of nasty gunk. Gaggenau has a drying mode. Mine is plumbed, and I don't use the drying mode, and haven't had a problem, but it's there. I certainly would dump and dry the reservoir in unplumbed if it were going to be sitting for awhile, and do a quick wipe of the floor and other surfaces, including the recess that the reservoir goes into. Why leave pools of water in a warm, air/moisture tight environment? Doesn't that sound like a recipe for pond scum?...See MoreMiele Plumbed Steam Oven: DGC6705XL
Comments (24)I have a DGC 6765 steam oven which gave an F10 error 3 months after the warranty was out. This link https://youtu.be/DoO9ckyJ-rs, posted by another user here, is very helpful about the type of water pump (but not the actual model used in the Miele). The one in the Miele is an ARS MPP2.02.041.3/ST/S 208-240V. It can be unscrewed with pliers on either side of the pump once it's removed. Inside I found a broken spring (.25" x .75") that I was able to replace from Amazon as part of a 400pc stainless steel variety pack, for $16 and delivered the next day. Problem solved. Very easy once you do it once. As a note, the voltage across the pump in operation is only 170V or so even with 240V applied, because there is a downstream diode that blocks part of the voltage, so as to create a push in one direction only (with the spring returning the piston during the blocked voltage, hence the vibratory nature). I was originally concerned that I had a problem control board (causing an output of only 170V instead of the full 240V, hence the pump not working b/c insufficient voltage was applied). Once I discovered the inline diode, I thought that perhaps it was defective because it has a 500 ohm resistance in the direction of current flow. Hence, unfamiliar with diodes (still), I thought it was creating a voltage drop (which it sort of is, but intentionally) and causing the pump not to run. I ordered new diode and discovered they have the same resistance as the original diode, and therefore eliminated that as the culprit. A "new" replacement pump from Ebay (the only place I could find them) was about $100-$160 and I wasn't convinced that the pump would be truly new/functional (some "open box" etc), so even if I replaced it with a "new" ebay pump, if it didn't work, I was afraid I still wouldn't know if it was due to a bad control board or a "new" defective pump installed from ebay. Hence I decided to take apart the old pump and found the broken spring (snapped and then double coiled over itself)....See MoreConcerns with plumbed versus non-plumbed Miele steam oven?
Comments (4)I'm sure I posted this on here before, but the last place, the very last place, I'd get advice on decisions like this are salespeople at appliance retailers. One exception for Yale and Perch in the US. Why? Based on postings on here and my own experience, design, usage, reliability and functionality are not appliance sales people area of expertise. What is their expertise? Whatever gets them the highest commission in the shortest amount of time and with least effort, i.e., in stock products that don't require ordering from the distributors, high margin models and brands, items that don't require complicated installations, anything that is less fuss and effort on their part. When they say something like you posted "the plumbed models have more issues" ask them if they own one themselves, for how long have they used it, are their installers qualifies to install, etc., etc.? Go to the design showrooms and experience centers of the brands you are looking at and ask them, their people are highly experienced and trained....See MoreMiele plumbed steam oven drainage issue
Comments (8)>Does the proposal from the plumber make sense? No, not really. See below. >Because the water from the steam oven is so hot, I assume the extension has to be copper hose. Correct? The install specs I've seen for Miele CSO ovens always state "Only genuine original Miele hoses can be used with this appliance." And "Do not shorten or cut the supplied drainage hose." This clearly means do not use your own supplied copper tubing. A few things you wrote don’t make sense, probably because not all details are listed. The main thing is how you phrased what the plumber told you. Did the plumber a.) “suggest” this high loop after looking at your setup? Or b.) did he review the installation specifications and then “suggest” this? Based on what you posted my guess is he did not look at the installation specifications. I do not see that ‘high loop’ as satisfying the installation requirements and specifications. Here’s my suggestion: Get both of these documents (from the mieleusa.com website) for your exact oven model: a.) Operating and Installation Manual, b.) Specification Sheet. These are two different documents, and depending on the model and model year may use use slight variations on the document name. The first document is about 200 +/- pages and you want the section on drainage connections. The second document will be about 20 +/- pages and it will also have a section for drainage connections. Preferably find a different plumber than the one you talked to above. Tell the new plumber you have a problem with the drain connection on a high-end plumbed in steam oven, and you want to employ him to review the specifications for the oven and tell you if the plumbing on the install is done according to the manufacturer’s specifications. Because you suspect it is not. If new plumber grumbles or resists “we don’t need to read no specifications…” find another plumber. Good plumbers who do kitchen and bath remodels are used to researching things like this and will have no problem doing so. If the install already meets the specs and you still have a problem then it’s time to contact Miele service. Last point, suggest you question who ever designed your arrangement to find out if he/she followed the manufacturer's specs (it sounds like they did not), and if not why not? Isn't that what you paid him/her for? Why all this talk of and fuss about manufacturer’s specifications? Because no matter if you are talking basic drywall, regular old concrete, hardwood flooring, roofing and rain-gutter systems ... or multi-thousand dollar hi-tech ovens, having something installed correctly -- to exacting manufacturer specs -- is the key to long life, to full warranty coverage, and to minimize failures. Short translation: If you want your oven to work correctly make sure you follow the manufacturer’s installation specs....See Morelazypup
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