Hi again. Can anyone help me, please? Thanks!

Im doubting you can find a ORB trim kit but you might be able to. Check with the supplier to see if that is a possiblity.

The faucets that you purchase should have the pop up drain with the lifting arm already in the box. You shouldnt have to buy any seperate drains for it. The one in the faucet box will work.

serviceplumberman,

whoa, so that's what was in the white box. Doh! Thank you!!! I hadn't opened the box in over a year and didn't even realize they came together. I learned something new today. Well, I did say I was clueless :)

Okay on to the tub drain and overflow. Here's the trim kit I found online:
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Danze-D490637RB-Lift-Turn-Bath-Drain-Overflow-Trim-Oil-Rub-Bronze/61946/Cat/78

Do you think this would fit a standard drain overflow kit?

Thanks!

-Chris

Maybe, I cant say for sure because I have never tried it. Is this a new build or existing plumbing?

serviceplumberman,

It's a new master bath addition and the drain overflow will be going into a whirlpool bath tub (American Standard, Renaissance).

Thanks,

-Chris

Check with your supplier before buying the the ORB trim kit to see if it will work or not. You may have to just buy the ORB waste and overflow kit. If it was me that is what I would do.

It's already September and I still haven't gotten around to buying what I need for the drain/overflow kit. But, now I need to get a move on this. I'm considering buying the kit online since both HD and Lowes does not sell brass assembly with the ORB trim kit and I don't have access (or knowledge) to any plumbing supply places in SF. The tub spec says that the height is 16 1/2", but the kits I see are for 16". Does the manufacturer just round things off? Or is the 1/2" going to make a difference? If so, what size should I get then? I would think that since my tub is an American Standard, the size for the trim kit should be standard. I wouldn't think they would want to make it difficult to find the correct size assembly for this tub. As I said, I'll be ordering online, so I want to make sure I get the right thing. Returns are always such a hassle and costly too. Can anyone offer any advice or insight to this? Thanks in advance!

-Chris

All waste & overflow kits that are listed with maximum dimensions are the slip joint type which have telescoping pipes for the drain and overflow riser with a compression type slip joint to adjust the size.

The tub you specified is a built in tub, which means the waste & overflow kit will ultimately be concealed under the tub once everything is complete therefore even if you do find a waste & overflow kit listed for the dimensions your looking for it will do you little good when your Plumbing Inspector hangs a red tag on it for being code prohibited. The Plumbing Codes strictly prohibit using compression joint type waste & overflow and P-traps unless you will ultimately have a dedicated 12" x 12" service access panel either through an adjacent wall or up from underneath.

For a concealed location you are required to use a glue-in type or if you insist on brass, a solder-in type waste & overflow kit. Personally I fail to see what advantage you might gain from insisting upon a brass waste & overflow in this application. While some people might be lulled into the notion that brass will last longer than PVC, in the real world such is not the case. The brass waste & overflow kits are constructed of DWV grade thin-wall brass tubing which is notorious for corroding through in 25 to 30 years whereas the PVC type are impervious to the acids present in DWV piping and have a nearly indefinite service life expectancy. In addition, the brass waste & overflow kits are about $150 whereas a PVC glue-in kit is generally less than $20. Of course you could get a brass solder in type kit for about $130 to $175 and an additional $50 to $100 labor for installation.

The PVC waste and overflow kits principally have three main components;
1. The cast "overflow body", which is the PVC casting that fits behind the tubs overflow hole.
2. The "Tub Shoe", which is the female threaded casting that fits directly under the tub drain hole and into which the tub "Drain Basket" is screwed into.
3. The Tee.

The pipes which connect the overflow body and the tub shoe to the tee are supplied by the installer from 1-1/2" PVC stock pipe an custom fit to length.

The kit also contains a brass drain basket, brass overflow trim cover and whichever stopper assembly you might desire, whether it is a toe-tap, lift & turn or a lever lift type.

The Danze-D490637RB you mentioned above is not a waste & overflow kit, but rather it is a waste & overflow "trim kit", which only contains the overflow cover, drain basket and the lift and turn stopper. It has no pipe or fittings to make the connections below the tub however, The dimensions of the trim kits is an industry standard, therefore you could go to your local hardware or home supply and purchase the cheapest PVC "Glue-In" type waste and overflow kit they have, then you could use the PVC components but discard the trim-out components and replace them with the Danze trim out kit and you will ultimately have the correct waste & overflow to meet code, complete with the "oil rubbed bronze" finish you are looking for all for about $75 in total.

lazypup- thank you for all the helpful and detailed information on drain overflow kits.

I would happily use the PVC type (especially since it's cheaper and easier to install), but I'm under the impression from the San Francisco Plumbing code, that PVC and ABS components are not allowed here in SF. I'll need to confirm. Either way, it sounds like I can purchase a standard drain overflow kit and replace the trim with the one I like. Thanks again!

As I stated before, some larger cities such as yours require all metal DWV piping. While it is part of your municipal plumbing code, it is in fact prompted by your fire code. The problem is that when any plastic burns it gives off a very thick smoke which contains some extremely toxic gases. As a result most local plumbing codes require all metal DWV in all commercial or commercial residential applications. (Commercial residential is any multifamily residential structure which exceeds 4 dwelling units or 3 stories in height.)

No doubt due to the potential for earthquakes the San Francisco municipal plumbing code has been amended to require all metal DWV piping.

Before you order a Waste & Overflow online check with your local AHJ to find out if they also require the solder in type in a concealed location?

Also, when you order a brass waste & overflow, whether it is a slip joint type or a solder in type check to see if the unit your ordering is a residential grade or commercial grade. The commercial grade have a much heavier gage of brass tubing and have 4 to 5 times the life expectancy of the residential type.