I don't know if which zone 4 you're in, but here in the Northeast zone 5 Westerland was a dud. I've tried it twice -- once grafted and once on its own root. Each winter seemed to weaken it further. Westerland died back to the ground every winter, never got more than 2.5 feet tall, and was a stingy rebloomer. It's too bad because it sure is a pretty rose. I tried Autumn Sunset once; it died completely over the winter and never came back. I didn't try it again. Also unfortunate, because it's beautiful. You might have some luck with Zephy, but it will almost certainly die if the temps reach -18 or so. I grow Zephy and it's one of the better performing Bourbons, but it will be a goner if we get a coldest zone 5 winter again. It doesn't get big here, just under 6 feet tall, but it blooms reliably and there is some rebloom. Maybe if you protect it you'll get better mileage. Even so, in your zone it's going to take a good 2 or 3 years to get established. That's one of the things a cold zone is good for -- learning patience! :-) I don't protect any of my roses, so maybe additional protection would help. But I think zone 4 might be a push for these roses. I don't know anything about Full Moon Rising, so can't speak to that. Best of luck!

Thanks Konrad and Juanital. Yes, that is a white sand dune in the foreground. I didn't know how to set my camera to get more white in the photo. Maybe someone can adjust it with Photoshop or something similar. Yes, it was truly like being on the moon. Kt

That was a great shot. Reminds me of a Joshua Tree. Did a great job, worthy of a frame and display.

I see the bad moon arising. I see trouble on the way. Creedence Clearwater Revival - 1969 I bet you can sing & play that one on your guitar, Kt! Cool moon! Or should I say Hot moon? Or I should say excellent shot of a "bad" moon! Julie