Ed, I think we got down around 40 around thanksgiving or thereabouts and we were not expecting it. We were away for the weekend and I came home and did not find any negative affect on the unprotected plant. I ready that they were not good below 50 but don't give that much creedance. These plants grow easily and purportedly I've been told they will die off and return in the spring. Darren

Posted by trevorlawson I think its fair to say that the CC will out cook a thermadore due to open burners. Fair to say based on what? Please describe what this means. The high end is 22K BTUs-pretty close to Capital. This is the rating for the heat output, nothing to do with open or closed. The low end is 375 BTUs. We don't know what Capital has for that. I am sure everyone knows what I sell. What I sell does not detract from the fact that open burners outperform sealed burners. The difference between open and sealed burners is significant nothing nominal about it. We tested a wolf range with caps on and caps off using same pan same water side by side at the same time, the burner with caps off boiled water over 23% fast..... that is significant Here is the video. Outperform would be a mischaracterization of this "test". I see performance as more multidimensional than putting the most heat in the center of a pan. If you had a wider pan, or changed the metal it was made of, or what you are cooking, your results would be different. This falls under the category of showmanship rather than anything scientific. How can you say this-"the burner with caps off boiled water over 23% fast."without any supporting data? You are right it is not how big the burners are but how the burner delivers heat to the CENTER of the pan, so the base of the pan gets evenly hot. Sealed burner send vast majority of the heat to the outside of the pan, open burners send the heat to the center of the pan. Please explain using the principals of heat transfer how delivering heat to the center of a pan is allowing the base of the pan to get evenly hot. If you have a ring of heat on the bottom of the pan, heat will travel in both directions from that ring to heat the pan. The center will receive heat from more directions and heat quicker, until it comes to equilibrium, than the outside so it is optimum to have a ring with the maximum heat more towards the outside of the pan than the inside. It is much harder to get heat to the part of the pan outside of the ring. A sealed ring burner flame pattern is only slightly wider than an open ring burner, a little more if you have it wide open. If you use a pan with reasonably good heat transfer like copper or aluminum, the burner shape doesn't really matter as much, but I wouldn't want the heat in the middle of the pan. The only way I would see heat in the middle of a pan as a benefit is if I were using a very small pan or a wok. I use everything from a 7 inch pan to make caramel with no stirring to a 14 inch aluminum pan on my sealed burners. For any pan less than 7 inches, I have a "small pan burner" I can make fried potatoes in that 14 inch pan with even color all the way across. I use cast iron if I need a lot of heat as in searing meat.

You know that top pink got my attention. Whatever else you can say about Stamile's daylilies, they almost always have great form. Carefree Sunset is a beautiful example....I've been off and on about Linda Beck for years now. I'm not much into most purples, but I sort of like the color of Linda Beck and she just recently threw up a couple of perfect blooms for me with no blotching (which she's prone to here). Does she blotch a lot for you?............That Coastal Grand has magnificent form. Love the perfectly aligned edges. What a wonderful bonus plant.......Maryl

I have 3 granddaughters ages 16-21-24 and think about how many concerts they have gone to and how many times their Mom has gone with them. I know terrorist attacks happen anywhere, anytime, but this one hit home for me. I am not a particularly religious person but I sincerely hope that there is a special place in he!! for the perpetrators of these attacks.