Peeling Latex over Oil Base Paint.... help!
tinker_2006
12 years ago
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painted latex over oil paint -- please help
Comments (12)Sorry! I should've stated that better! You can topcoat most primers in 2-3 hrs. Dont' leave a primer unpainted for more than a month. They get too dried-out and brittle. I should've said... >>> Once the primer and paint are applied, the adhesion process of all coats takes a while! You don't need to sand out ALL the gloss. * Just a moderate "dulling" of the existing sheen. * It's subjective...but I'd keep sanding if I could easily see a reflection. * I'd maybe drop down to 100-grit for the 1st pass. Then, a quick 2nd-pass with ~150-grit. * If you're near a C2 dealer, the C2-SAP (Sandable-Acrylic-Primer) is great for this kinda work. This is neat for REAL fussy applications. After priming, this primer sands nicely for extra-smooth topcoats. Faron...See MoreCan I use oil based paint over latex primer?
Comments (5)When they say don't "cheap out" LISTEN!! Take my advice, I learned the hard way. You can a) paint one coat of cheap-y paint, and then re-paint it year after year, and re-scrape, and get a sunburn and waste weeks on end, or.... b) pay the money up front, and do it right. Expensive lesson, especially when you are painting a huge garage. DON'T use those vinyl spackling buckets that cost 2.79. Get good exterior caulking, whichever one costs the MOST is probably the best one. Be patient, just let it dry all the way. Scrape off EVERY peel, no matter how long it takes. If it's REAL bad? Get the spray on stuff, and get every last bit off. That's what I wish I'd done. And I did scrape to bare wood, but used crummy spackle and crummy paint, and one coat. Saving $50 on paint and materials is now probably going to cost me 16 hours time, and over $150 to fix. If I could afford it, I would spend $2500 to side the thing and never do this again. Spend the money up front, take your time. A GOOD paint job will last 10-20 years. Mine lasted 16 months, and looks worse than when I started. And I had professional help. Who told me to buy the good stuff, and I ignored him, thinking how smart I was. And don't try to paint outside when it's 80 degrees. ACHHHHHGGG!...See MoreOil based paint over Latex? No need for Primer?
Comments (1)You probably do not need a primer. I'm not even sure that I would use an oil based coating. A high quality acrylic floor coating would probably be fine. Dutch Boy is certainly not considered high quality, but the issue could have been curing. If you pull tape and do not score the line where you want the tape to break away, you can pull the paint off. The paint will stick better and bond better and become more durable as it cures (up to a month). Paints in bathrooms can take longer to cure because you are showering in there and putting moisture in the air which can sometimes re-wet the paint film. Use the fan, take shorter showers, shower with the door open, etc..whatever you can do to help that paint cure. There are no-skid, non-slip additives you can add to the paint if you are worried the surface will be too slick....See MoreHelp with painted cabinets, latex over oil...
Comments (16)"Oil over Latex or latex over oil": my 2 cents; First, the controversy largely applies to EXTERIOR paints. Why? Latex paints expand greatly when heat is applied to them ( think rapid surface temperature gain when hit by the sun). Oil paints are brittle from the outset and get more so with age. They are bonded to one another and the latex paint wants to expand, the oil does not - bad scenario. It can literally pull the paint right off a house, especially older homes with many coats of underlying oil paint. Second, pertaining to interior paint: The early generations of "latex" paint (1950's,60's) were exactly that. Many had natural latex resins in them and had adhesion problems when going over the old standby oil paints. The "latex" name has become generic for water based paints. After the initial real latex paints, along came many resin blends such as with acetates. These too came up short on adhesion. Most of today's premium "latex" paints are actually 100%acrylic based. Acrylics have excellent adhesion to oil paints. May I point out that most of today's white carpenter glues are acrylics, obviously because of its adhesive properties. I purposely keep samples of door casings to show customers, which have been base coated with high gloss oil paint. Over this I have applied 100% acrylic paint directly to the oil paint without any preparation, as I wanted to see the worst case scenario. The customer is invited to try to scrape off the acrylic paint. So far, not one has been able to do so! I also have a sample which has been finished coated with our new water based alkyd based paint. It too survives frequent scrapping attempts. As with any new layer of paint, surface prep is critical, especially in kitchens where airborne cooking oils and oily human hands constantly come in contact with the surface of the cabinets. Clean the cabinets and either use a deglosser or give a good scuff sanding to assure good bonding of the new paint, whether oil or "latex"....See Moretinker_2006
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