Kayl, The bagel defrost setting works amazingly well on the Advantium, but I generally ignore the presets. You really don't need to use them, though there are some things that you have to page through menus to do. I think they're mostly there so that you pay attention to which function you're choosing and which tray you have inside. You really can choose your duration time and power, or the convection oven temperature, and use it in a conventional manner. Yes, the controls can be a little annoying, but once I discovered that one could get find adjustments in microwave mode by turning the knob, I was fine with it. To just zap something quickly you can press express, it turns on right away with 30 seconds on the duration, and you can change that to 10 seconds or whatever you want by turning the knob. Just saying, if you think the Advantium (or Miele speed oven) will serve your purpose, it's worth taking some food and pans to the showroom and trying out the different modes and how to access them. Read the manual first, however, because a lot of the sales reps don't know how to use it. There was one at the store where I bought mine who didn't even know it did more than microwave! They used it for popcorn so that's what she thought it did! Were you trying to get the full sized oven, short oven, microwave and warming drawer all in one stack? I wouldn't do it. That will make them all inconvenient. At that point I'd look seriously at one of the combo units, and get either a countertop MW or oven. A lot of people love the Breville "toaster oven" as a second small oven. If you don't use it all the time, you could also hide it in a pantry and only bring it out when you need it. My mother has a roaster oven she puts on her dryer when she needs extra oven space. Otherwise, it lives in storage.

Hi there, although I don't post often on these forums I've been a member a while and read a lot. I haven't been able to find this addressed anywhere (pardon me if it is out there and I missed it). Our 1988 GE 27" double wall oven needs replacing (top oven broke - been using just the bottom a while but with the holidays coming I think we need more than that). We are a family of 4 and eat essentially all meals at home; I love to cook and bake. I probably would've been perfectly happy to pick a comparable GE and call it a day, but instead I look all around and start considering Bosch and Electrolux (my budget is under $3000, husband would prefer under $2500). So I start to wonder... Can I tell a difference of .4 cubic feet in capacity? Will I notice the difference in how many watts the broiler element is? Which of these will be harder or more $$$ to service? I definitely thought the Electrolux on display was the "sexy" oven; the Bosch seemed sleek but with more "muscle". But is it worth it to spend more $$$ or will they all serve my cooking needs just fine? Will I kick myself everytime I wrestle with a rack if I don't go with the Elux? The more I looked, the more it started to seem that the biggest issue with double wall oven is often just what I already had happen - one breaks and you have to replace both. So my ultimate question: Can you replace a double wall oven with two single wall ovens? And how easily? (never had a wall oven until moving in to this house so don't know much about the details on installation and whatnot). Knowing we are not remodeling the kitchen right now (maybe in 8-12 years), how feasible is this? Would it require too much extra work such that it might be cost-prohibitive? I'm not sure, but figure some sort of extra support might need to be going on and that you can't necessarily just stack one right on top of the other. Would this ultimately be the better way to go if possible? Anyone have anything helpful they might offer? Thanks in advance.

I've only ever had one oven and wish I could have a second. It seems that every time I've doing a roast or pizza, for example, I want to have a side dish or dessert also in the oven--but at a different temperature. Or more racks of cookies or some such than I can fit in one oven. This has only really become a problem after retirement when we have 3 meals a day at home and entertain more now than ever. Like you, when we were working I used the range for one thing occasionally and the rest was take-out or micro. For this house, I got a combo micro/convection oven that I can use but it's not very big and the dish has to be small enough to rotate in the cavity. It's not the most functional setup but it's the most cost effective for us. Or (as someone said in thread I've included) I adjust the menu to avoid the oven traffic jam. For resale, I would not ignore a house with just one oven even now after retirement. If you're truly concerned about one oven affecting resale, maybe you can plan a cabinet that someone could later retrofit without ripping out the kitchen?? Or, have your one oven be nicer than the perhaps builder-grade double ovens in the neighbors' houses. There's another thread discussing a wall oven vs range, which could perhaps help you too. Personally, now having a wall oven at waist level rather than a range at practically floor, plus being tall and a bad back, I would only want a range if I also have a wall oven. All this said, you've said your lifestyle doesn't use an oven much: do you see that changing while you're at this house? Is this your forever house where maybe your lifestyle will change like mine did (though we cheated and moved lol)? Is the extra money for a second oven going to be an issue requiring sacrifice of something else better for your lifestyle? Maybe thinking about it with these types of questions in mind will be helpful. hth Here is a link that might be useful: wall oven vs range

Search the archives. This question comes up regularly. In general, many people see the benefit of having more than one oven, but few people need three or more ovens. This is a little different, if you make some of these ovens have special features. In other words, your choice of a double walloven seems rather unusual. But having a steam oven and a microwave (or better a speedoven) is quite useful, if your budget allows you to do so. These usually all are 24" devices. That's fine, as it doesn't take up unnecessary large amount of real estate and as it pre-heats much faster. But depending on what you cook, you might still need a fullsize oven in your range. If you don't need it, then a range top is a better choice.