Is Full Overlay same as Euro Style?
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Lisa
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Comments (15)I think it's worth a trip to the cabinet maker's showroom so that you can take a look at how far they will open if that's a big concern to you. Truth be told, in my previous kitchen, the doors didn't open as far as what the new ones do and that was one (and probably about the ONLY!) issue that I really never had with them. It was what it was and it wasn't a functional problem for me. When doors open, they have a bit of "give" with the hinges, so it's not as if they are going to break off if they are reasonably swung open. You find that most of the time when people open a cabinet, they don't "guide" the door opening the full way - they open it a bit and allow inertia to take over with the rest of the opening process. I think that everyone in the family will quickly get used to how far the cabinets open. There's a learning curve any time you get something new because it works/reacts a little differently than what you're used to, bit it in cabinets, doors, windows, appliances, washers, dryers, cars, etc. Solve the problem with how far the bases open by getting mostly drawers...it's what most of us do because it's much more functional overall....See MoreFull Overlay - Partial Overlay -or- Inset Cabinets
Comments (26)There is really no fundamental difference in strength between framed and framless cabinets. Poorly-built frameless cabinets will be less sturdy than well-built face-framed cabinets, and well-built frameless cabinets will be more sturdy than poorly built face-framed cabinets. Regarding your statement: I see that the small frame in the kitchen reduces very slightly the useable space in terms of installing drawers or pullout shelves, but it's not a significant difference. Some GW poster put together a comparison between frameless and face-framed and the differrence is alot more than than you would think at first. (Anyone got the link ?) For illustration purposes they compared a 12" wide base cabinet in the two styles, and assumed 3/4" thick box construction, 1/2" thick drawer boxes, 1/2" wide side mounted slides, and 2 inch face frames. With frameless the drawers ended up with an usable internel width of 12 - 2 x (3/4 + 1/2 + 1/2) = 8 1/2" vs for face-framed the drawers ended up with an usable internel width of 12 - 2 x (2 + 1/2 + 1/2) = 6" So if you want the full-overlay look, my opinion is you should go with frameless cabinets. Also regarding your daughter slamming the doors, I have seen posts about something called "blumotion for doors" which attach to the hinges (which I believe must be blum brand) which eases the door closed....See MoreUsing inset on top and overlay (full or partial) on bottom?
Comments (13)Hi Dawn, Our kitchen is exactly what you describe. We have face frame inset glass door and sidelight upper cabinets, and frameless full-overlay all-drawer lowers, plus a face frame inset cabinet at one end of our island for glasses, and a face frame open shelf unit at one end of the kitchen. It's a great mix. The frameless drawers are spacious and make excellent use of our available space, while the face frame upper cabinets provide some of the cabinetry details we love and wanted for our old house. It's a great blend. Our cabinetmaker was fully at ease building both styles and he incorporated the two very gracefully. We haven't posted any finished pictures yet, but we're hoping to get to it soon....See MorePartial Overlay vs Full Overlay?
Comments (7)I'm getting partial overlay for several reasons (I like the looks of both so looks is not one of them): my cabinets go all the way to the ceiling which is most likely crooked so I would be scraping it with the upper doors, I can also use the extra space on top to install the crown molding (i.e., attach it from the front rather than top of the cabinet). The crown will be tine but it will fit without sacrificing the space. The special corner arrangement I have would require additional fillers for FO, thus, more loss of space. Last but not least, the door style I picked comes as PO (it seems like the doorstyle is either FO or PO but you can't pick a door and a style separately; my experience at least and I had quotes from 3 different places, all said the same). I enclosed a picture of my old kitchen which is not pretty but PO. You can see it's tiny so every inch counts. Here is a link that might be useful: old PO kitchen...See More
suzanne_sl
10 years agoIf you want this guy to build you frameless cabinets, do be sure that he has the equipment and the expertise to do so. They're not any harder to build, but they do require different tools and training. The tools are expensive and most cabinet shops don't have both sets of machinery hanging around. Check first.
He can build you full overlay doors regardless. That doesn't require anything out of the ordinary for him and they can be used on both framed and frameless cabinets. I'm a little concerned that he thinks full overlay automatically means euro-style cabinets AKA frameless. I'm a big fan of frameless, but not built by someone who doesn't crank them out on a regular basis and with the appropriate machinery.
Maybe this will help. This first photo is of our old framed cabinets with partial overlay doors. Notice how the door is attached, the hinge, and the lip around the opening. That's the frame. (Ignore the roll-out. It was retrofitted and I originally took this photo for a different purpose.)
Now look at our newer frameless cabinets. Again, I took this photo for a different purpose, so ignore the other stuff. Notice that there is no lip around the opening and that the hinges are very different from the ones on the framed cabinets. Some people really don't like this kind of hinge, but if you have frameless, this is what there is. Personally, I like them. Among other things, they allow you to adjust the way the door sits in the opening in three directions, up, down, and in-out.
This is the point in your project where it is critical that you make sure you understand exactly what is being offered/said. The more you are really clear in your planning, the better the outcome will be. Framed, frameless, full or partial overlay or inset, these are all valid choices. Just be sure that you and he are clear on what it is that you want. There are things you can decide about later like knobs/pulls and the backsplash, but there are things that need to be decided long before demolition. Floor plan and cabinetry are the biggies.
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