Range Detour: 24'' Bertazzoni Wall Oven (jgopp?!)
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24' Appliances: Liebherr or Fagor?? Bertazzoni or other?
Comments (8)I like your criteria as you described them in your first par. FWIW, an 18" Miele dishwasher holds a lot and has other features that really make sense and that are not found in other DWs. For small fridges I can give you input. First, keep in mind that almost all the 24" fridges are copycats of another, and the subcontractors that make the boxes, liners, compressors and other parts sell to them all, so many of these companies' products are identical to a T except for the door bins and trim pieces. Second, don't believe any numbers about the internal volume. Calculate cubic feet yourself by measuring H x W x D and dividing by 1728. Some fridges have TWO compressors, one for the freezer and for the fridge. Not many in the 24" size. Some fridges use a passive cooling system, that does not force air to move, and therefore does not dry out your foods. Fridges that circulate air are known as frost-free or auto-defrost. The word "Frost" is used, even for the fridge compartment. They dehumidify the air and dry out all foods, some at a very slow rate, some faster. Food can spoil faster. With passive cooling, fridge humidity is high --- and this is good for foods. There will be excess humidity (condensation) sliding down a runnel and draining into a small tray on top of the compressor to evaporate from there. This returns to the room the same h20 that came from room air in the first place. When you open the fridge door you put humid room air into the fridge. All fridges make noises. Coolant liquid is being turned into gas and then back into liquid again, in the cooling circuit that pulls heat out of the fridge and puts it into the backside or outside sides. Assuming the noises a fridge can make in an open area will be important to you, here is my assessment. --LG's fridge works very well, and makes few noises. One compressor. --Fagor's fridge makes a number of noises all described in their Use & Care manual, which you can get on their web site. One compressor. --Liebherr's freestanding and built-in models are quiet; that means there is still some noise, but it is deemed negligible. They switch a single compressor over two independent cooling circuits. Since there are also two independent air circuits, air circulation can be stopped in the fridge compartment, to make it into passive cooling. This is an option described in their Use & Care manual, which you can get somewhere on the web. -Three or more companies have a Danish design, Vestfrost, with two compressors. Each compressor is unaffected by the other cooling circuit. They are quiet, making very little hum -- probably running at only 10% to 20% of their capacity. Their fridge and freezer are both passive cooling. Thus the freezer needs manual defrosting once in a blue moon. ----Home Depot's web site has a Vestfrost but I've not seen it in a store. ----Summit's 24" fridges include their CP171 model: this is the Vestfrost. ----ConServ's two 24"s are both Vestfrosts in design, one being an "old" model, one being a newer model. I've seen both in operation. For the companies below I don't know what noises they make. GE has one now that is a copycat but I never studied it. Summit has more 24" fridges, with air moving (autodefrost) and only one compressor. Blomberg has two 24" fridges -- with an original design for North America, because the freezer is frost-free but the fridge compartment is passive cooling. Also: 24" integrated and therefore 22" wide in reality (so it's a cubic foot less than the 24"w) are Liebherr, Blomberg, and Miele (so far only in Canada), all running on the same frame and compressor. They are so similar that their door bins are interchangeable. I have read in several places that two adults can use 8 cu.ft. of fridge space. After downsizing, I would say 6 cubic feet is enough, and 7 is plenty. The more shelves, the less space is wasted. All the models described above are bottom freezer models. Late this year Danby may introduce a bottom freezer model, according to the email I received when I asked them. Danby and Avanti make reliable top freezer models that you may find totally acceptable, and that others would say a landlord would put into a rented apartment. Also consider Ariston's 36" wide undercounter two-drawer fridge. It gives you more counter top surface but robs you of counter drawers. For cooking, I can't help if you are going with an electric range and not induction. HTH -david...See More24 inch cooktop and wall oven
Comments (14)plllog, that's a good point about the two units needing to fit well in the same cabinet space. Does anyone know which one is typically installed first, cooktop or oven? lee676, I did look at some Smeg oven units and they looked really nice, but it was still too pricey for us. Tinyhomebuilder, thanks for the heads up on the bluestar range and for giving us a hint of the price, all the websites we looked at said to call for price =) Whle I know it makes more sense to get a good range unit rather than spreading out the cost over what might be considered lesser cooktop/oven units, In our case it was a priority that we get a cooktop. Mostly its for the aesthetics (we are trying to do a stainless countertop with an integrated sink and a cooktop would work very nicely with that setup) but also I'm a messy cook, and one of my pet peeves is food crumbs falling into the crack between the countertop and the range. I'd also like to mention that I personnally almost never cook with an oven, and was considering not having a wall oven but just going with the breville countertop smart oven. However, my husband who never cooks has promised to get more into cooking once we finish the remodel, and the one time he cooked, he roasted a duck (thanks Mark Bitman), so now he's convinced we need an oven. Anyways, I'm willing to get the oven on the off chance that he'll keep his word and get into cooking =) plus the house will be hard to resell without any accomodation for an oven....See MoreJust took delievery bertazzoni oven
Comments (4)Thanks for the compliments. flwr_n_co - I picked this model for that very reason, I want something that wasn't going to have digital on it. But when I opened the manual, you still have to press a button on the digital interface to start the oven heating. But I have always had a hatred for digital, I really love the classic knob look, figure it is less likely to look dated in 10 years. I'll post a review when I get everything all set up and done :)...See MoreSuperiore 24" Range Oven Capacity
Comments (7)The Specifications are available here: http://www.superiore.us/-stainless-steel-v75 24 13/64" x 19 57/64" x 20 31/64". They seem to have W D H switched around with the 24" being the height. It does seem to be unusually tall cavity-wise. That's probably where it's gaining the volume. What I did in a very small apartment is used a separate cooktop with oven mounted underneath so I could get a larger oven, and then used an 18" DW. But this may suffice for a NYC apartment. ------- I am putting a 24" vintage Chambers wall oven in my kitchen and I have not received it yet. However, it claims to have a large capacity. However, as opposed to cooking with convection and fans, where you need circulation, it appears that you cram this oven to capacity and keep the door latched. It seems to be a different method. (In any case I am planning on a second larger wall oven or at least a place where one can be placed.)...See MoreFori
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