Good Sunday morning all, Patti, I am sorry to hear your news. I am glad that things are going well with Dave. (((((HUGS))))) What did you mean "four of us were in Orlando" who, what, when?????? Too bad you didn't connect with ??????????????? Besh,(((((HUGS))))) I am sorry for your family. Death is not easy. I hope your FIL has a very peaceful passing. I have sad news myself. A long time friend of ours called Friday night very late. His 29 year old son is in a coma due to a drug overdose and has very minimal brain function. Mark, (my DH), went down to be with them righ away and of this morning he has not improved although he has been able to breath for 3 minutes on his own. Right now they are in with the doctor discussing taking him off life support. The whole thing is agonizing for them. What a horrible situation. All we can do is pray and think positive and remember that everything is perfect the way it is. Besh, I know what you mean about memories. It's hard to have to revisit such awful memories right now for me. I will be thinking of you.

If it will fit in a 9x9 square dish, it should fit a 9" round dish. Give it a try..........what do you have to lose? Maybe put some tinfoil under it to catch spills if they do happen.

This was like a train wreck ..I couldn't stop seeing what could top the next one! Unbelievable stuff. Just proves it takes all kinds.

Most of that makes a good start. Not sure about the rationale of some of it though but you pick and choose what's appropriate for your needs and area. Couple other thoughts, some of which were on the other thread: A seatbelt cutter. Some now will attach right onto the seatbelt so if the seatbelt jams you can cut and exit quickly. Medications, extra eyeglasses, and other special needs A charger for that cell phone I always keep some money but use change. Keep $10-$15 or so in quarters for parking and other incidental needs. Some basic hand tools & a set of folding wheel chocks are nice Tow strap/rope/chain, shovel & a come-along are good ideas too And in the northland you don't want white rags for a signal - you want red, lime green, fluorescent orange or something that can be SEEN in the snow! I don't want to surrender, I want to be FOUND! Current proof of insurance A disposeable camera is a good idea but a digital camera with batteries is a far better idea. They're not as susceptible to the temperature extremes as are film cameras. If you're in a southern climate and leave a film camera in an enclosed vehicle it's ruined in a short time. In freezing weather the film emulsion can crack and spiderweb as you advance the film unless you warm it up adequately so the film is soft. I carry a tarp. Multi use. For when you have to crawl underneath the vehicle, cover something or whatever. Takes next to no space. I guess you could use it for privacy, but if you're in trouble around people, isn't that a good thing? And if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere I think there's enough privacy isn't there? Pen, paper & Purell Sunglasses, spotlight and digital recorder Aspirin, IB, etc 12v air compressor, extra oil, antifreeze and washer fluid Tire pressure gauge, Ice scraper & snowbrush Sometimes some softener salt and the spray deicer is great Battery charger and extension cords are occasionally priceless If you have a pet, and are going far, keep copies of immunization records in case of a bite or if the animal gets sick Item #c could be very bad advice. Be sure to check with the law enforcemnt agencies in your area before you do this. Around here if you call the station phone number requiring a reasponse, you will have to hang up and call 911 to get it handled through dispatch. THE CLERK ANSWERING THE NON EMERGENCY NUMBER CANNOT DISPATCH. If it's an emergency, it could make a big difference. So I'd be careful before advising this. If you just need to know what hours they're collecting for something, that's a different story, but I don't know of many people who would worry about that when they're broken down! I use my cell phone as my address book, but as said I still print out one and keep in there. I have people's numbers I can call and even have some mechanics numbers. With a cell phone, ASSUMING YOU HAVE COVERAGE, you can call someone and get a number. A friend broke down about 100 miles from home about 2 weeks ago. The timing belt broke in his car. He called a number of people before he finally got his daughter who looked up numbers for a tow truck. Why he didn't call 911, I have no idea, but that's the way he is! LOL One other number that I never see mentioned that is an excellent resource is a good library's reference desk. They will look up phone numbers for you, resources for you, and can provide a wealth of other information. This is one you shouldn't overlook.