Raised counter height for under-counter wall-oven?
lambic
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Single wall oven under counter, cooktop on adjacent counter?
Comments (10)I looked into installing a single wall oven under an induction cooktop (I ended up getting an induction slide-in range though). What was interesting was that most induction brands allowed it IF the wall oven was the same brand as the cooktop. This included Kitchenaid - don't know where you got your information, but the installation instructions do allow for it with certain ovens - it turns out it is the Kitchen Aid single ovens. Two brands did not allow for a single oven under the cooktop even with their own brands (well, it voided the warranty so the same thing): Bosch and Thermador. No problem with Jennair, Kitchenaid, GE, Electrolux, and Frigidaire. I think Whirlpool also didn't allow it, but I wasn't considering that brand. Don't worry about the venting. There is some venting in all ovens - whether built in wall ovens or ranges. The vents aren't any more hot for a wall oven than a regular range. The reason I chose a slide-in induction range had nothing to do with the height of the oven. The wall oven under the cooktop would have been about the same height as a range's oven. Rather, I really liked the Kitchenaid induction with its (albeit small) second baking drawer. I cook a lot and could see using this. Plus, the cost was much less for a slide-in than a separate cooktop and wall oven. Our house is being remodeled and we haven't even been able to move in yet - so I haven't used it. I hope I love it. It does look nice....See MoreWall Cabinet and counter-top height code
Comments (2)I don't know what you intend to do regarding backsplash height (that's the distance b/w the finished counter and the bottom of the upper cabinet and light rail), but here's what I usually tell people when they're considering the height for their backsplash. The standard is 18"...regardless of the reasons why, it's still the standard.. How this affects your kitchen.... Refrigerator and other tall cabinet heights...Because wall cabinets are meant to be mounted at a standard height, cabinet manufacturers take this into account when designing tall cabinets. Tall cabinets are designed to be the same height as the installed wall cabinets so the tops all line up. When you change the height a wall cabinet is installed at, it affects cabinet top alignments. With the refrigerator you can usually mount the upper cabinet a little lower OR order a shorter upper cabinet, but be sure you don't make the alcove any shorter than 72" tall b/c newer refrigerators are 70" to 72" tall (and seem to get taller each year!) With other tall cabinets like oven cabinets and pantry cabinets, they're a standard height and designed so they're the same height as the wall cabinets when those wall cabinets are installed 18" above a 36" high counter. If you have custom cabinets, this may not be an issue b/c your cabinetmaker can adjust the cabinet heights. But, if you are using stock or even some semi-custom cabinets, you cannot change the height. You can often get taller cabinets for use w/36" or 42" tall wall cabinets, but not shorter for 30" mounted lower. But, even those that are taller are also adjusted based on standard wall cabinet heights + an 18" backsplash height. Small appliance height...Small appliance manufacturers often design their products to meet this 18" standard...for example, my KA stand mixer (bowl lift) is around 17" and many coffeemakers and blenders are just short of 18". So, you need to be sure you have room under the cabinets + light rail to fit those appliances. Small appliances... Keep in mind that if you're using an appliance on your counter, you must be sure you have room under the base cabinets to move that appliance around easily. Don't, for example, tell yourself you're only going to use it in front of your upper cabinets so you don't need to worry about its fit. In reality, you will be moving things around on your counter while you work and most likely your appliance will be moved under the cabinets at some point. You don't want to tear your light rail off or damage it (or the cabinets). Also remember that "standard" upper cabinets are 12" deep + 1" for the door...so they stick out 13" over your counter...leaving you only 12" or so of workspace in front of the upper cabinets...not much room to work in by itself! (If you have deeper upper cabinets...say 15", there's even less counter frontage in front of your upper cabinets...3" less, so 9".) Vertical workspace... Another consideration is vertical work......See Moreusing countertop micro UNDER counter -- 3 feet rule?????
Comments (7)The testing thing makes the most sense. I used to be involved in patient-based clinical research and the parameters of study were sometimes quite narrow, to limit the number of variables. Then, when the new drug application was filed with the FDA and the "labeled use" was determined, the indications of the drug could be interpreted rather narrowly. Using the drug or device outside these parameters often made sense, but it could not be promoted for such. Its probably a similar thing...it was tested on a standard height kitchen counter so it is "labeled for use" at standard kitchen counter height, when in reality, its use at other heights is not contraindicated. I recently saw a kitchen where the OTR microwave was 60" off the floor. I think it is much more dangerous to be removing a steaming dish at eye level than below waist level, but it was mounted OTR as tested, so it was not in violation. I have also seen them on top of refrigerators: again, removing something from over the head or while standing on a stool is more dangerous,,,but it is above the 3' height--so its in an okay spot according to the specs. But not in practice....See MoreNon-standard counter top heights and Bluestar range
Comments (6)We absolutely love our RNB. Had it for a couple of years, and it works so much better than any other stove I've ever used. Definitely recommended. I jokingly told my dealer, he should drop all other product lines, as they clearly are inferior compared to Bluestar. Before the remodel, we only had space for a 30" model. I'd love a bigger stove, but even after the remodel we wouldn't have space for 48". And I can't really justify replacing our perfectly good 30" with a brand new 36". But I'm sure, you'll love your 48" model. Dual ovens sounds so nice to have. When we bought our stove, the Platinum series didn't even exist yet. So, we didn't have much of a choice. If I had to buy now, I'm not quite sure, which one I'd pick. The improvements between RCS and RNB are very obvious. But the value proposition for the Platinum feels less clear. In principle, it is a superior product. But from reading reviews, it sounds as if the current design doesn't fully realize the potential of these improvements just yet. The grill/griddle sounds awesome, but then I read reviews and most people are a little disappointed by it's overall usability. The oven burner seems a mixed bag too; although that might be limited to earlier designs which suffered from some growing pains initially. But given how much I love my current oven, I don't really see much of a need to change anything. On the other hand, the little bit of extra BTU would be very welcome. After cooking on a high BTU stove, I never want to go back. It changes everything about how you cook. So, yes, I'd love to upgrade my existing RNB to even more powerful burners, if only there was a way to buy a retrofit kit. And the rest of my concerns are not so much to say that there is anything wrong with the Platinum series. It's mostly a reflection of Bluestar having set the bar so high that my expectations are now unrealistically high of what I'd love to see in their top-of-the-line offering. In other words, I'm jealous of your new stove. You'll love it. Please report back, after you have had a chance to use it for a bit....See Moreflseadog
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