I would definitely have a prep sink in the island. With 3 teens they can help with cooking and prepping and it would be more efficient to have them in a separate area from you. If you don't have a prep sink on the island all of your prepping will be done in the corner between the sink and the range and for such a large space you have very little counter space there.

The prep sink in the island can also service the beverage center.

What are your planned aislewidths between the perimeter and the island (from counter to counter - not cabinet to cabinet.

If that is 8" between the island and the beverage center (probably 6' when seating space is taken into account and by-the-way 4 stools in 7' of island space is really squishy) I would move the island down 1' and extend the stove wall by 1' and put the extra space in the corner.

I would never but a DW in the DR. I don't want to sit there with guests and not being able to take the dirty dishes away from the table and into the kitchen. And then you're going to have a garbage can in your DR as well? So, when you're serving dessert, you just dump all the dirty dishes behind you and look at them while you eat dessert and relax with a glass of wine after wards? No.

According to your floor plan you already have 2 DW in the kitchen - one on either side of the sink. Yes or no?

(Hint: To get more replies you need to reply to the posters. Mama did reply to you with a couple of questions so to set up a dialogue you need to respond)

I agree that a 3rd dishwasher in the DR would be too much. That could be a wonderful area for serving, storing dishes, flatware and stems. Two dishwashers in the kitchen is plenty and you do not want guests to look at dirty dishes on the serving buffet. Another thing to consider is will there be a garbage disposal in the DR sink for cleanup.

I personally like the overall layout. Where will you store dishes from the dishwashers in the kitchen?

I'd think about reversing the ref with the storage cabinet on the end of the range run. Where its currently located looks like an invitation to cut through your cooking zone.

And the margarita ingredients closer to the booze!

Also, maybe make the prep sink a little larger. Sometimes its nice to be able to sit a colander inside the sink and have a little room left over.

Agree with suggestion to make the island wider.

looks to me like you have 2 dws - 1 on either side of sink. need a 3rd one?

prep sink looks too close to seating area on that corner of island.

how about a window on either side of the stove?

I think it basically looks good. haven't checked aisle measurements tho.

using the DR more often sounds like a good idea. Many complain that they don't use theirs often enough to make it worth the space it occupies. Have one? use it!

UGH! No there is not 3 dishwashers! Sorry! At one point when trying to be practical and when worried about our unconventional dining room idea, I asked the KD to try to squeeze in a 2nd dishwasher on the crowded sink wall to see if it was an option - and I didn�t realize the elevations still shows that version.
Sorry! One dishwasher to left of sink and trash on the right. (wanted to replace the picture link but not sure if I can do that after posting w/o messing up the original message)

Thanks to everyone for their comments � greatly appreciated! Couple of responses/comments/questions:
To be clear, I would use the DW in the kitchen if we have company. The dining room one would be for everyday use for us and like-family neighbors (and holiday overflow when needed) but if we are entertaining I would certainly pull the dirty dishes back into the kitchen. I don�t need to use the DR DW just because it is there ;) We would have a quiet garbage disposal and a under the sink trash can as to not give up a cabinet for trash.

While I whole-heartedly agree with bmorepanic about moving the margarita ingredients closer to the booze! We were also concerned about the fridge being so far away from the dining area (although we will use the island seating a lot!) The thought process was not to have something so massive in that corner, the first thing you see as you enter the house. The currently planned glass from cabinets are to soften the transition (I hope). And to put it there would require making the entrance to the dining room smaller - we want to promote the flow into the dining room and to utilize that sliding door to the much-used screened in porch, since we are closing off the 2nd existing door from the kitchen. Also when people are "living" in sunroom/brick room before a meal, they may also be invited to cut through work zone to the fridge from that direction. There seems no perfect answer.

That corner location was considered for wall ovens, but we felt it distracted from the focal point of the range � which we wanted to look nice from the octagon/sun room and brick room family room.

The post is structural and cannot be moved. The aisle widths are 45" between range and island and I believe 48"-50" between sink and island. The 40" sink base is pulled forward. The island is already 48" wide to reach the post.with the 12" overhang for seating. I love the idea of more space in corner, which I guess I could easily have with a smaller range � but then no oven and half � or extend the wall and make the entrance to dining room smaller as discussed above. They are just opening that wall into the dining room today and field measure is Thursday, so I will see if we can move everything down a bit.

I really would like to have a prep sink � for all the reasons everyone mentioned � can anyone suggested another location? As DesertSteph metions it is close to the seating area (that may already be a little tight) and I feel it is in a prime serving location.

As for windows on either side the range, a nice idea but we are already limited in upper cabinets give the open flow of the room (we actually closed in a 6 foot sliding door to porch to allow for the range) so hopefully the light from the adjacent octagon/sun room will be enough.
Any thoughts on a walk in pantry? What is the smallest width to make it worth while? If not add more 16" deep pantry cabinets? Thanks everyone.

People won't be able to see the glass front cabinets from the front door (wrong direction). They will see the pair of sinks and a little of the refrigerator.

A person clearing the dishwasher while you're cooking will need to walk back and forth through the cooking area. That's why I'm suggesting the change - so the dish storage is on the same run with cleanup. It would be a longer run to set the table, but you're keeping another set of stuff and a dishwasher out in the dining room. So I think maybe the access to the dining area isn't an issue.

It would be swell (from a working arrangement) to reverse the range and cleanup area. Refrigerator, prep sink and range together with cleanup/dish storage on that edge wall. But I don't see a way to squish in a window.

According to the floor plan, there is a 96" aisle between the island and the beverage center. I'm thinking that could be 6-7 feet instead by growing the island towards the beverage center. You could consider extending the 92" wall behind the bev center and place a tall ref there for sodas/snacks/overflow food. Then the one inside the kitchen proper could be smaller. Win-win (duffers don't invade your space and they have great access to ref).

I can see having a dish drawer in the DR just for stemware / glasses / coffee cups, because in my case it seems like those are always the last things cleared and you don't need a trash can for scraping like you do with plates. But in your case you have a beverage center further away, so the DW (or dish drawer) in the DR makes less sense to me.

You'll have two DWs in the kitchen, which is awesome, so I'd stick to keeping cleanup by that sink.

If you want to promote the use of the dining room you might want your beverage center in there. I have friends with a long counter in their DR with a sink, beverage fridge, and storage for all their bar ware. The long counter works as a buffet/serving spot or as a bar, depending on the occassion.

However, I do like your current bev center. If you keep it where it is, I'd move the sink from the DR to the bev center and consider a small ref there too. The sink can be used to fill the coffee pot (if you have your coffee stuff at the bev center), and to hold ice etc. when you use it as a bar for parties.

Then, to promote use of the DR... just put the food in there! You'd have a nice flow for entertaining between the main part of the kitchen, the beverage center, and food at the DR table.

I am not a pro at layouts so can not offer suggestions. But I am very envious of your kitchen, all that space and it is going to be gorgeous!

Thanks everyone. Why did I not ask for input sooner?!? I can't stop thinking about move the fridge to the other corner - and field measure is Thurs! (Oh, I didn't have time to post because I've been frantic packing up my entire house and moving our family into a small condo, and make all the decisions for our whole house remodel that I didn't have a spare minute to scan floorplans....)

Anway - I now can't remember why we didn't consider putting the fridge where the glass front cabinets are... other than a distraction from the focal point of the range. We nixed having wall ovens in that location for that reason. Bmorepanic - I do realize you will not see the glass front cabinets as you walk in the house ;) - I wasn't explaining well that the idea was the cabinets would be less bulk - visual and actual - then the "big-a*$" fridge we have planned. The refrigerator grew in response to comments in this forum about "go big or go home" that if I wanted it paneled I should go built-in and I couldn't stomach paying 150% just for the built-in look, so we bumped up to the 42". We will have our former side-by-side fridge in the mudroom for beverages and overflow, so the duffers should basically stay out (I can hope)

But that doesn��t fix the remoteness of the fridge and the range (and the dining room�K) I agree I wish we could flip flop the purpose of the sides, but losing that window wasn��t a viable option. We are already sad to cut it down from its 9�� bay size to 72�� and to lose the sliding glass door behind the range, but with all the traffic flows we didn��t�� have much wall space.

Chicagoans �V originally the wine fridge was in the DR, but we pulled it back into the kitchen to extend the feel of the kitchen to that side of the room, and to keep the wine more centrally located to the living spaces (and cooking) area ��. I am not sure we can have a sink there given the size and having a 24�� wine fridge. Bmore panic �V I��ll have to see if we can extend the wall behind the beverage center. There may not be much more room without compromising a doorway into the office that I would like to be facing the kitchen. I am not sure how to grow the island and reduce the walkway between island and beverage center because of the unmovable post �V as I see it if the island moves (or grows) the post will move in the center of the seating area and overhang. Struggling to imagine that �V and what is the gain?

Thanks for your comments & suggestions. Does anyone have a recommendation for a minimum size of a walk-in pantry?