I haven't seen last night's episode yet, but I've seen all the others. I do feel a little sorry for Camille too, even though I can't stand her!

What do you think about Cedric? Kyle mentioned something about hoping he was sincere, and I tend to agree. It struck me odd that he would be willing to tell Kyle such personal details about himself at that dinner with the cameras running, like he wanted the world to know and sympathize with him. It seems strange that someone with such a tragic past would air it like that and it makes me wonder how much of it is accurate. I hope he's not using them. I'll be curious to see what happens with that.

Lisa is one of my favorites too but it seems like she's getting caught up more in the petty stuff. One of the reasons I liked her initially is because she seemed above it.

Oh and Kim drives me nuts. I find her so annoying and frustrating to listen to. And the whole child actor thing is getting old. I was rolling my eyes last week during that phone interview where she was addressing her legions of fans and saying she hoped to get new acting work. I highly doubt she has many fans and I don't see people lining up to give her roles considering she can barely express herself or form a coherent sentence. I sound mean but if she chooses to air her life on tv, she opens herself to critique, lol.

I don't know what to think of Camile, part of me (obviously the mean part) thinks she got what she had coming, BUT her kids didn't deserve to have their family ripped apart.
I've also wondered about If Kim was a drinker, and also sick of her schtik of being a child actress....your not a child anymore. Grow up!
As for Lisa, I've always thought she was the most down-to-earth of the group, but last night with her stirring "the pot" again, makes me wonder if she isn't just passive-aggressive. Her dabbling in the Q's about the fight with Taylor, sure started things up again.
Kyle, to me is the most attractive of the BH gals, but, (here is the mean side again) her legs are so muscular, they almost look like men's legs. Not sure she should wear such short dresses, and I didn't care for the black number she wore to Taylor's B'day party. Her Hubs is pretty yummy though.
The reunion shows should be good.

I think that Lisa doesn't like the fact that Kyle and Taylor are getting chummy. Lisa can see through Taylor's BS about the whole N.Y. thing. Lisa wants Kyle to see the true Taylor.

The way Taylor handled Kim last night was wrong, she didn't want to talk it out, she went to tell her that the whole NY fight was her fault. Kim was ganged up on. Kyle is always telling Kim that she never has her back, where was Kyle last night for Kim's back? The only one that saw this was Adrienne.

As far as Camille, karma has come back to bite her in the a$$.

The reunion should be good, I can't wait

I always knew Kim was on something but I didn't suspect alcohol. lol No wonder she doesn't want date and lead a somewhat normal life. She's probably a closet drinker and prefers to stay home. I think both Kyle and Kim need some real therapy...boy do they have some deep seated issues.

I think Camille is delusional. I think she knew all along that Kelsey was moving away from her and her marriage was in trouble. Even from the first shows it seemed like she and Kelsey were "stiff" together and more or less play acting for the cameras. And her innuendoes (about Kelsey liking to cross dress, being possibly bi or gay, etc.) all season made me think she knows exactly what she's doing. Granted she is hurting for her children but it will be interesting to see how this impending divorce will play out. To me she's not as dumb as she looks.

Taylor seems like a hanger-on in that group of housewives. I don't think she has $$ like the other women, so without her husband I don't think she would run with the same crowd.

Okay, I'm over being a "mean-girl". lol I am looking forward to the reunion.

Susan (who believes Cedric is full of it!) lol

I couldn't understand something Kim said to Kyle in the limo -- something about a "house," and then Kyle warned her she'd better take that back.

What was that about?

I know that Kim has said a couple times that when they were younger she was the one who paid for this or that--a car, home? That she was the one who had to work while Kyle went to school (college?). I assumed she was referring to her "child actress" roles?

Taylor's husband seems more the type to do the things that Kelsey Grammer is said to be doing--the "both ways" stuff; he looks very uncomfortable being next to his wife. And not in a "the love has gone" way!

Is the reunion a 2-parter?

How much of this do you all think is real?? I believe that certain things have happened in their lives and that the producers script the girls to bring things up esp when they seem so eager to catfight all the time. That is why I think some of the men folk look so uncomfortable. I do not think Taylor would normally go up to Kim at a party and rehash stuff~~I think the producers promote most of this that goes on. What do you all think??

With that being said~~~I love it!

I stumbled on this show and can't say away - drama, drama, drama. Even with all their money and lifestyles, most of them seem to live sad, unfulfilled lives. I don't envy them much.
Lisa - a class act, love her wit and style, and accent.
Camille - disillusioned about alot of things, I think - maybe not any more, though
Adrienne - another class act. Wealthy, but down-to-earth
Taylor - struggling to "belong" and seems confused and sad sometimes
Kyle - liked her at first, very beautiful, but probably could benefit from some therapy
Kim - sad, sad, sad. I feel so sad for her - not sure she really is in the right group of "friends" - so lonely and misunderstood. Needs the right therapist.
Cedric - "Down and Out in Beverly Hills" movie comes to mind. He needs to be out of there - out of the show, out of Lisa's house, just - out.
The husbands - they all just seem stymied by all these antics - men don't act like they're still in Jr. High like these women mostly do.

I do wonder if the producers zero in on the most drama they can pick up on - and probably instigate it somewhat too, as the ratings are high for this show - - but I just cannot stop watching - like a train wreck.

I took the comment regarding Camille and the doorman as Kelsey had been passing off his mistress as his wife and therefore the doorman was confused. I didn't take it that Kelsey is "both ways". Camille is my least favorite housewife. I find her to be shallow. She sniffled alot last night, but I never saw one tear. I feel sorry for the kids. I wonder if Camille's best friend, Allison Dubois(The Medium) "sensed" Kelsey's affair.

I had always suspected that Kim was either an alcoholic or on something. She never makes sense when she talks. I did feel that she was ganged up on last night and I applaud Adrianne for seeing that. Kim said she bought Kyle her first house and car, plus other things. I get the feeling that she's never felt appreciated for the things she did for Kyle, her sister Kathy and their mom. She's made comments that she never had a childhood, but she made sure her siblings did. She carries alot of baggage and I hope she gets the help she needs.

Lisa is my favorite housewife and I love the relationship between her and her hubby. Very solid! She is also very protective of her girlfriends and I think it takes alot to get close to her. She made the comment that Taylor is a wannabe, so I think she keeps her at arms length.

Last night on Andy Cohen's show his guests were Adrianne and Taylor. He asked them about Cedric and the response was that they did not believe his story. Kyle also feels the same way and I too agree. I wonder how he's earning a living now.

I don't see Taylor and her husband lasting long. Not sure what his issue is, but I've never seen anyone look so uncomfortable around people.

I'm looking forward to the reunion show, I hope it's a two parter.

Every time a new housewives show starts I swear to myself that I will not watch it but I always do. None of my friends or family watches these things and cannot believe I do. But I can't help myself! I totally missed the innuendos about Kelsey Grammer and I thought Kim was just wacko; it never occurred to me that she had a substance abuse problem.

Yes, I did feel a bit sorry for Camille, but it was short-lived. She seems to play up the camera and try to invoke sympathy but I think she knows exactly what she is doing. And who believes that she was "under Kelsey's thumb", not allowed to have friends, etc. Like I really believe that she is submissive? Right. Wouldn't be surprised if I were to hear that Kelsey swings "that way", but I think Camille thoroughly enjoyed those little innuendoes. Like matti, I took it that Kelsey had been taking the mistress to his apartment and that is why the doorman asked for Camille's ID, if indeed that actually happened. Not so sure I even believe that.

Kim... yikes! I figured she had some of addiction and it is so sad. Kyle has probably had a lot of messes to clean up behind her and this could be the reason for their dysfunctional relationship. It's a very sad situation for two sisters especially when it appears that one is being supported financially by the others husband.
I also missed a couple of things Kim said. could someone please fill us in? Kyle wanted her to take something back, then couldn't believe that she said whatever it was she said. Fill us in! :)

Taylor... another sad, unhappy person.

Lisa... I really liked her but wasn't happy with her part in stirring the pot. Oh well, no one is perfect.

Adrianne... I could like her as a friend.

Cedric... oh please. Good for Lisa for cutting ties.

Kim said that Kyle stole her house from her, and that's when Kyle freaked and told her to take it back.

Matti, Camille said that Kelsey had someone up at their apartment and she assumed (hoped) it was a woman. Innuendo or not, you decide.

Here comes my mean girl: I love Adrienne and think she and Lisa are the most grounded , but what is with the K-Mart fashions? I know the clothes and shoes are designer but they are hideous!! I thought Adrienne looked horrible last night, too. Very wrinkly and unkempt.

I am another one who would not watch The Real Housewives, but I have to say I was flipping through the channels one time and wala there were the Beverly Hills housewives. It was on the Bravo channel and I caught up on all the episodes by recording most of them and watching them later. I did not see last nites episode but have it recorded. Cannot wait to watch it. LOL The only episode that made me take my ears and eyes out was the one with the medium at Camille's house telling Kyle her husband would never fulfill her needs. If she really knew this wouldn't it be best to keep your mouth shut if you were truly a professional. I believe that Camille set that thing up and nothing can change my mind. It was like Camille was acting all innocent and she had a little smirk in there when the medium would take and plant her jabs at Kyle.

Sleeperblues, I agree, I thought some of the outfits were hideous and cheap looking, especially Kyle's. All she was missing was a pole (I know that's mean, but true). I do think she is gorgeous and her hair is absolutely amazing. I love the way she was dressed for her daughter's gradutaion. Lisa always looks fabulous, even in a pair of jeans. I'm sure she'd make a potato sack look couture. Adrianne didn't look her best last night. I wonder how much her shoes were worth.

I was hoping to see Ziggy at the party, wonder where he was. Do his feet ever touch the ground LOL

Matti, I agree with you about Lisa. In fact, I think she looks best in her jeans (albeit probably not the 50.00 jeans I buy, lol) and her crisp white shirts. She is amazing for someone in her fifties.

I didn't mention Cedric. Did you see where Lisa and Ken had him move out and now they don't speak anymore? He is a man whore and a user. I didn't trust a word he said. He is definitely eye candy, though. Too bad he's gay.

I read that Cedric is curently writing a "tell all" book. His goal is to star in a soap opera. I agree, he is definitely easy on the eyes and I too don't trust a word he says.

Lisa does look amazing and it doesn't seem as though she has had plastic surgery. Botox or fillers maybe. Adrienne and Taylor need to ease up on the botox. I wish I could stop focusing on Taylor's lips, but they are so darn large. She told Andy Cohen that at some point she might get the implant removed.

I'm looking forward to the premire of the New york gals.

I am obsessed with them...my guitly pleasure I even watch the reruns...in case I missed something the first time....STacy