New Hardwood flooring Cupping and Buckling
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16 years ago
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Comments (8)It's perpendicular to the joists. When the first hump appeared, I was convinced it was from a joist, but then it started happening all over so I wasn't sure. It's pretty inconsistent; there will be a stretch of about 8 boards with no tenting, then one, another couple boards, a tent, more boards, two tents in a row, etc. I agree that from what I have seen in pictures, it doesn't look horrible; I am a bit shocked that it's a problem though in our home considering the climate we live in; nobody here has issues with too much humidity, it's the opposite, considering we spend 1/2 our winters in -30 degrees Celsius. We all have humidifiers installed in our homes to keep our floors from gapping too bad in the winter! I talked with the builders site assistant today, and asked if he has seen this in any of the other houses in the neighborhood that were completed around the same time as ours, or since; and he said he hasn't. Will this kind of tenting damage the actual floor boards? Is the integrity of the finish and wood destroyed from the extra stress on the boards when they are tented and then walked on all day? This post was edited by CLJP on Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 2:11...See MoreHardwood floor 'cupping'. What to do??
Comments (2)Crawl space moisture issues. The crawl space is getting moisture in it, or the humidity levels are allowed to be sky high in there. And I bet, there is no plastic moisture barrier covering the soil, in the crawl space. It could also be the humidity levels inside your home, expanding the floor, causing the edges to compress, leaving the floor with a cupped appearence....See Morebuckling in floating engineered hardwood floor
Comments (8)An undercut saw or a toe kick saw okay. I will have to get myself one. The installer does not seem to care who his man hired and what his man did. My own contractor on the job said common sense would tell you. It is good product by Award Flooring. I was told this wood was very stable. my enivironment is not too moist. no no moisture problems. i have old subfloor up there and it is measuring fine. i had another man come up and take some moisture readings with his good delmholst. I have a patina relics wide plank 6. distressed engineered. It is in my cottage so why would i have put real hardwood. I have dogs this is the ideal flooring. Now i am hearing that the cracks-from what i have read-could be the glue settling and people walking on it. How long would it take glue to settle? This floor has been down two weeks. From reading about I now know get the subfloor and your wood reading no more thatn 4% in the difference. But this might be slightly different with wider planks? maybe. Do you know anything about glue drying. Could the cracks be the tongues breaking? My installer will not listen to me and won't tell me what he did with the float in install. I found nails-oh yes- in the hallway. the hall is not finished. So what do i have now a combo job. This was not a cheap job. I paid for complet flooring in the place plus some fiber flooring. thanks for your input. Greatly appreciated. I have a show down with this man on wedneday i have asked him to bring along his installer. He refused to cut an expansion gap and insists the floor does not need it. This is a man in the businness for 14 years. I have lots of pictures taken. i do not know if he taped the seams on the foam underlayment either. .......See Morehardwood floor cupping
Comments (22)Hi Cheryl...sorry to take so long to answer. I didn't get an update for your post (oops). A wood floor (anything wood actually...and any finish in the home including paint, drywall, cupboards, doors, trim, windows, etc) rely on indoor living conditions. Believe it or not, there is an 'industry standard' for the definition for "indoor living conditions": Temperature to be maintained between: * 15 Celsius - 28 Celsius (59 F - 82 F) Humidity to be maintained between: * 35% - 65% Relative Humidity (air borne humidity) When it comes to wood flooring, the floor (your pretty stuff that is cupping) needs to be within 3% of the moisture readings for the subfloor. An example: Subfloor moisture reading: 11% Wood Flooring moisture reading: 9% This is an acceptable range for INSTALLATION. That is to say, the install is allowed to go ahead with readings such as these. To be blunt, your indoor humidity readings are FAR TOO HIGH. The 12% difference between upstairs and downstairs is what is causing the cupping. The moisture in the air is trying to move down it's own concentration gradient (moving from wet areas to dry areas). It is doing this by moving THROUGH your floors. This is why you need to get the builder in here ASAP!! Their readings BEFORE the floors were installed (and with readings of subfloor AND wood flooring) and how LONG the wood was acclimated ON SITE and the SITE CONDITIONS at the time of install (was the HVAC up and running or was the builder saving money by keeping the heat off = not having to pay the electricity/gas bill while the house is being finished) are PARAMOUNT to their defense (against future liability). If they do NOT have them = you win. But this could get ugly. So be prepared. I would question the HVAC mapping for your house. I would question the viability of installing hardwood with an HVAC system not properly 'tuned' (our sourced) specifically for humidity regulation. I'm not an expert about what you can ask for. It depends on what the HOMEOWNER was allowed to choose versus what the BUILDER provided (what costs included basic systems vs. what upgrades should have been ordered to maintain homeowner choices). For instance, the HVAC might have been a base model with no particular function other than heat and air movement. The LOCATION of the house and the SIZE of the house might not have been taken into account. The size of the basement and the amount of air exchanges might not have been calculated correctly. The issues could go on and on. Or they could have been perfectly suited for the house but the homeowner might not have turned things 'on' due to personal/financial choice. Whew. You can see how TWISTED this gets just by asking 'what can I ask for'. See what is on offer. Get all the inspections you feel are necessary (wood flooring inspection with HVAC inspection/mapping/calculations) and then see where the 'foreseeable problems' SHOULD have been mitigated by a professional Construction Company licensed in your State....See Moreaudsquad
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