why is everyone pushing water based poly?
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Comments (9)I believe water based costs more due to demand/supply. Flooring contractors prefer to use water based due to constant exposure to vapor fumes from oil based. Thus there is more demand for water based and less supply of it so the cost is more. When/if they do your floor with the oil based, you will notice what im talking about. Oil leaves an amber hue changing the final color of the stain. That is another reason why flooring contractors like to use water based. The quality water based poly's are usually just as durable. The only difference between oil and water is the substrate that evaporates as the poly dries. Water based also cures faster than poly, allowing more coats per day. http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/14998567/thumbs/water-based-vs-oil-based-polyurethane-floor-finish...See MoreWater base Poly finish over oil base on concrete
Comments (5)You are mixing chemicals (mastic adhesive + mineral spirits + polyurethane + concrete moisture) and have had a reaction. I've heard this done...but only by high-end epoxy finishers that deal with plastics and chemicals every day; all day. There is a reason why the epoxy finishers are some of the highest paid flooring professionals around...you need a degree in chemistry to understand epoxy. And polyurethane for wood is a vastly different product than polyurethane for concrete. There are so many things that could have gone wrong (didn't rinse the floor after the mineral spirits; wrong polyurethane; moisture coming up from the slab; mastic reacting with the polyurethane; etc) that it is hard to figure out what is happening. Mastic is an aggressive material. It doesn't like anything but vinyl backed stuff. One man's adhesive (mastic) is another man's solvent (polyurethane). Good luck. My guess is you will be using a diamond grinder to get this down to raw concrete so that you can start over....See MoreHELP! How long before smell from final coat of oil-based poly leaves?
Comments (23)An update for everyone. Within six weeks the smell was MUCH better and we moved back in. And within two months it was gone. What an ordeal! We just kept airing the house out as much as possible, used air purifiers, along with other tricks, like activated charcoal and onions in bowls of water. Good luck to others who face this challenge -- happy to answer any questions. And if you're a migraineur, I'd suggest either moving out for a month or two, or using water-based poly. I never would have imagined it would be as bad as it was. So happy our remodel is over and to have our house back!...See MoreMedium brown hardwood stain with oil based poly?
Comments (12)Oil poly = orange. Not even yellow but ORANGE. If you are confident you will NOT be upset by orange floors (regardless of colour underneath) then go for the oil. Your 'pro' is trying to sell you on oil based because it is CHEAPER and EASIER to purchase/work with. Both help HIM/HER rather than you. So...now the question: have you seen the stain patches WITH THE FINISH on top? Always always always view the stain patches with a coat of the finish over top. Always. If not, you are picking blind. We have HUNDREDS of threads on houzz, "Help! I hate my floors! Why are they orange?" Happens on a DAILY basis. And remember: oil based poly = STINKS FOR 30 DAYS! Yah. As in migraines and nose bleeds type of smell. As someone who has migraines AND asthma I can tell you it is a B!TCH to be around newly finished oil poly floors. If you compare the costs of the Bona System (can be triple the material costs) to staying in a hotel/motel for another 3 weeks, you will find the Bona is a better (financial) choice. I personally like to see stain + 3 coats of Bona Traffic HD. It is DEATHLY important to state in the CONTRACT (yep...please write one): Floors to be Finished with 3 Coats of Bona Traffic HD (the HD is SUPER IMPORTANT). Do not let the 'guy' switch out Bona Traffic HD for Bona Mega. Bona is the company...Traffic HD is the LINE! You want the BIG BOY being used and you want 3 coats for 20+ years of worry free floors. Anyone who tries to sell you on oil based poly being tougher than water based is NOT trained to use the big boys. They are the guys who purchase their products from Home Depot and then claim it isn't as good as oil based. That's the level you are working with if they 'sell' the oil based....See MoreCancork Floor Inc.
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