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Confused on Gas Log set vs Sealed Gas Insert

18 years ago

I posted a question on the cost to run a propane driven gas log set vs sealed insert above. After speaking with some folks I am very confused now. Our criteria is to make use of our existing masonry fireplace in our heat pump driven home to have nice fire to look at and feel some warmth when sitting near the fire. We do not want the aggravation of burning logs--allergies. We are concerned about air quality and smells associated with burning pellets--allergies again. We are concerned what our new found 'ambiense' will cost us a month. We do NOT have natural gas so we will use propane if we forge ahead with any sort of plan. Another concern is that while paying for this ambience we will be actually lowering the overall house temperature and use even more electric heat!

Our 14 X 20 fireplace family room opens to the kitchen and foyer, the kitchen opens to the Dining room...ie it is a fairly open for plan. The house appears decently insulated but is 20 years old. Our heat pump is a Trane that is 20 years old...eventually it will be replaced with something undoubtably more efficient.

My only experience with firepalces is via my Dad's gas log set in his fireplace. He is happy with it. It actually 'warms' his 15 X 20 room from 65 to 70 degrees after running for two hours at which time he shuts it off unless they wish to look at the fire. He says the room remains warn for several hours and the bedroom above gets warmer too. Just by a few degrees---its not like the logs are raising them 10 desgress or more. He does acknowlege though that the log set it is NOT designed to heat and he pays a premiuum for the propane and its relative inefficiency....though again it apparantly does add a bit of warmth. I argue that it may be making the room colder when not in use since the damper is open for the flu...he feels its negligible.

So Dad's solution would meet my criteria...I think. But... I am told an insert though costing $2K more will actually HEAT the room and/or entire first floor while using 2/3 less propane. In other words I may pay more up front for the unit but it would likely pay for itself over , say 5 years...assuming that 2/3 less propane is accuarate....is it?

I am not sure which way to go? The insert feels like the right thing to do but then I bet I may need to relocate my heat pump thermostat upstairs. Some say turning on the heat pump fan will pull the hot air from the insert thru the house and I would not need to move the thermostat...some say no, I'd need to move the thermostat...of course I have no idea how that will affect the AC in the summer.

So, know you can see why I am confused. I hate to waste $1K on a log set (includes first fill of propare and installation) On the other hand, I hate to cause more problems and bills by buying an insert...and spending $2K more.

Hopefully some one has been through this and can offer some advise on how comaptible these inserts are in Colonial style homes with heat pumps AND some insight on the gas consumption and price between and insert and log set.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS

Directly below our masonry fireplace is our unfinsihed (chilly) basement with another flu. It would be great to have something down there that could be turned on when the kids go dow and would heat up the area (800 sq ft fairly quickly. Is there a gas unit for this that could hook into the same tank as my fireplace above? Maybe it would be better to just have a few heat pimp vents dropped in the basement when I redo the old Trane system....?

(I know, I ask a lot of questions!)

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